Brumby won't turn over

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:04 pm

Trying to get my old brumby running so I can drive it to my new shed. It hasn't been started for a while (possibly years). I threw a battery in and it turned over straight away but the battery wasn't strong enough to keep it going. So I hooked up a jump start and nothing happened at all. Then I noticed that it had an immobiliser in it so I disarmed it and still nothing.
So I bypassed the immobiliser and still nothing. The ignition switch would seem to be ok since the dash lights dim when turning it to START. There is no power getting to the starter motor in START. I have chekced all the fuses.

Any ideas ??

scoobymine · Post by **scoobymine** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:42 pm

Start with the basics. Fuel, points (if applicable) battery, plugs, coil. Fuel could be a bit off after a few years sitting. Bang a strong battery in, squirt the carby (if applicable) wth start ya bastard. just work through electrical and fuel basics.

revmax · Post by **revmax** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:36 pm

what about if you use a screwdriver or spanner to join the terminals on the starter motor. Make sure it is out of gear.

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:17 pm

Sounds like the pretty commen fault that happens in the ignition switch on the back of the ignition key barrel. I would just make sure you have power to the coil and carby, then jump the starter using the old screwdriver trick.

And as revmax has said.. Make sure it's out of gear

revmax · Post by **revmax** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:45 pm

if it is the ignition switch CRC 226 is the best stuff for restoring a switch. Just soak the internals while rotating the switch back and forward for about 2 minuets and she will come good.

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:55 pm

fusible links or just ask at work how to hot wire an old subie

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:23 pm

When I said it hadn't been started in a while what I really meant was that it has been sitting out in a field for years :

Anyway turns out it was the starter motor - swapped it for an EJ one - bolted straight on

Got the engine to run with fuel down the carby but it wouldn't keep going. It has fuel in the tank so it is either a clogged filter or a buggered pump but thats tomorrows job.......

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:05 pm

looks like it was dragged from a peat bog ! EJ starter motor eh ? Can just see me another day trying my spare EJ16 starter .....

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:30 pm

steptoe wrote:looks like it was dragged from a peat bog ! EJ starter motor eh ? Can just see me another day trying my spare EJ16 starter .....

Yeah it doesn't look any better from the outside :

I think it was my auto starter motor - not sure if the manual ones fit as well ??

guyph_01 · Post by **guyph_01** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:49 pm

yeah i've seen auto liberty starters on EA81's before. Hummmm, I see how my shell will be put to good use:)

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:55 pm

Actually this isn't as bad as it looks - I'm thinking of taking it to get it rego'd - the advantages of living in a country town.......

The rust is only around the arches and a little on the roof. So I probably won't be using your shell since I will be modifying the body where the rust and dents are.

Well I might use the roof panel but that will be about it.

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:25 am

I'd try and lic it but if that fails, I'd grab the front off yours and stitch it on Guyph's old red one.. bingo

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:57 am

That LHR rust is just where mine is. not seen in any other brumby

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:51 am

RSR 555 wrote:I'd try and lic it but if that fails, I'd grab the front off yours and stitch it on Guyph's old red one.. bingo

Yeah that was the original plan - not really sure yet which way I am going to go. There are pro's and con's for both.

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:58 pm

Well got it started by pouring fuel down the carby but it wouldn't keep running. Thought it was the fuel pump but that is OK.
There doesn't appear to be any power at the pump though

I've checked all the fuses again and they are all OK - since this is a pulsed off/on signal to run the pump is there a solenoid or something that might be buggered ?

littlewhiteute · Post by **littlewhiteute** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:26 am

Engine revolution sensor mounted in the drivers kick panel.

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:24 am

Yeah Ken, the fuel pump will only run when the engine is turning over. This was designed to cut fuel in the case of an accident it will stop the fuel being pumped and feeding a possible fire. I would say the fuel bowl in the carby has dried up and left shit blocking all the holes. I'd throw a carby kit through it and replace your filters (front and rear).

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:29 am

RSR 555 wrote:Yeah Ken, the fuel pump will only run when the engine is turning over. This was designed to cut fuel in the case of an accident it will stop the fuel being pumped and feeding a possible fire. I would say the fuel bowl in the carby has dried up and left shit blocking all the holes. I'd throw a carby kit through it and replace your filters (front and rear).

Throw a carby kit through it ? You must be joking - I've already spent $15 on a couple of fuel fittigns for a holley pump and some fuel and thats $15 more than the budget !!

The pump is running but nothing is coming out - might be an air leak in the hose from the pump to the tank - I will check that out today and if that doesn't fix it I am giving up and will just tow it round the corner.

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:10 pm

Damn.. that is a tight budget

Ok, check the hoses but normally never need changing?.. maybe the filters are blocked or the fuel tank level is too low. I wouldn't give up so easily Ken. I'm sure you have spare bits around or KPM might be able to help out?

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:31 pm

I've checked and cleaned all the filters and hoses except for the one between the tank and pump. Its got about $15 worth of fuel in it so that should be more than enough.