Anyone ej'd an L in victoria?

[daveosubi]

I stuck wondering what to do with my L, Ive done a head gasket and probably damaged the motor by driving it for week, topping up the oil with coolant .

Spoke to a mechanic who said it'll be about 600 to get the head gaskets done, And if ive done a head well it'll be even more. And It would also be a good idea to do all the belts/ water pump oil pump while im there so a fair bit of $$$.

Ive done some reading on the thread for installing a ej, but would like some local knowledge regarding engineers and places to go for things. Im not sure if I want to go through with it all or not, I still might keep a ea82 in it.

1 Does anyone know of any engineers that could ok the conversion in vic with roughly how much $
2 Where's a good place to get a half cut or engine gb/comp/loom from.
3 Do the brakes need upgrading for a ej22?
4 Maybe a dream but is there much more work/$$$ involved in going ej turbo?

Any ideas or thoughts appreciated.

[El_Freddo]

Venom has just done his in the last month or two - He's running Lapsed's EJ25 setup from memory. He will hopefully be making an appearance on saturday when we go 4wd'n.

Personally, I'd upgrade to the EJ if you can't get a temporary motor in the mean time.

Cheers

Bennie

[dfoyl]

>1 Does anyone know of any engineers that could ok the conversion in vic with roughly how much $
If it's an EJ20 it should be pretty easy, if you go EJ22 you will need certificate. As others have said, EJ22's are getting pretty old now and may need similar work to your EA82.
>2 Where's a good place to get a half cut or engine gb/comp/loom from.
I'd try for either a low-km local wreck or write-off from an auction. You get the full loom, etc, and most of the parts for 5-stud conversion (see next point).
>3 Do the brakes need upgrading for a ej22?
Damn right they do, I'd seriously consider 5 stud but at a minimum RX rear discs.
>4 Maybe a dream but is there much more work/$$$ involved in going ej turbo?
I'll leave this to one of the Turbo boys. I guess you're adding more complexity to the system and the question becomes will you need it (an EJ is going to give you a lot more power than your tired EA82).

Dean.

[AlpineRaven]

Cant answer any questions above, but one thing I can tell you is that there is a lot power difference between EA82 vs EJ22.. If you do EJ22 conversion you need disc bec its like "having V8 with 6 Cylinder drum brakes!"

Another thing, getting 2nd hand good engine (either EA or EJ) from Jollys in Dandenong is just under $200 but you'll have to pull out yourself.

Also Jolly has EJ16 & 18 there as well sitting in Imprezas.
Cheers
AP

[heath]

me an my mate just ripped out a full conversion for my car at jollys. an ej2.2 and it cost me 480. the most expensive part was the cat. this included the box and clutch

[AlpineRaven]

me an my mate just ripped out a full conversion for my car at jollys. an ej2.2 and it cost me 480. the most expensive part was the cat. this included the box and clutch

Was that from white Liberty?
Cheers
AP

[El_Freddo]

Dave,
I spoke to Gee (Bratgeebah) - he's got an EA82 wrapped up under his bench that's a waste of space. Message him on the forum and I'm sure its yours - could be a good engine to get you by for now.

Also while your at it flush/have radiator checked, if this is partically blocked it will cause you trouble and potentially another blown headgasket...

Cheers

Bennie

[El_Freddo]

me an my mate just ripped out a full conversion for my car at jollys. an ej2.2 and it cost me 480. the most expensive part was the cat. this included the box and clutch

So you got the gearbox, EJ22, exhaust from EJ22 to the joint after the cat, clutch for $480? Did you get any wiring with that - the loom and computer?

If you got all of the above for $480 including the loom and computer I can't wait for that pay packet/series of pay packets that allows me to do this...

Cheers

Bennie

[daveosubi]

Thanks for all the replies

I do have another car to use atm so it seems like a good time for a conversion.

I'll go check out jolly rodger's soon just to get some idea of what they have and I need to grab. A write off or half cut seems like a good idea too, Id like to go awd at the same time. The ej20 seems like a good size motor not needing an engineers cert.

The crossbread conversion would be great but id rather keep costs down, Ive only just had all the suspension replaced with the kyb/kings and spent a bit of money getting it how it is, and dont really want to have to buy it all again. Im guessing if I can get some rx front and rear brakes it'll be good enough. Then again I guess it depends on cost, if I get a write off/half cut It could work out relatively cheap to adapt lib ones with the crossbread.

Another question are 4.11 or 4.44 ratio's common? what subarus would usually have them?

[Venom]

I think a really cheap, simple and quick conversion would be an EJ20 or 22. Keep your radiator, use an adapter plate to keep the EA gearbox, use the headers on the EJ engine and have an exhaust place mate it to the L series exhaust. Keep the fuel system pretty simple and just use a VL style pump with EFI spec hose + return line. Get the ECU+loom with the EJ engine and wire it up to the L series. Scott at Straight Torque in Doncaster did a great job wiring mine up.

Anything turbo or bigger than an EJ22 and you would need a bigger radiator, better fuel system inc surge tank etc, and you would probably want to go a cat back exhaust. None of which you can really get out of cheaply or without doing a bit of work.

[r00fi]

>3 Do the brakes need upgrading for a ej22?
Damn right they do, I'd seriously consider 5 stud but at a minimum RX rear discs.

Not sure the RX discs would make much difference, as most of the braking power is directed at the front anyhow. It's also worth keeping in mind that drums can often have a more effective stopping power because they have a much larger surface area than disks. The problem is they (drums) don't dissipate heat well so fade quickly, hence disks are better for repeated applications. Drums are also more affected by water than disks.

Your brake requirements will very much depend on your driving style.

Out of interest, is there much difference in the weight of the EA and EJ series engines? From the pictures I've seen, they actually look smaller.....

[Alex]

yes EJ's weigh a fairbit more.

I perosnally dont think brakes need to be upgraded from ea82 to ej22. Mine cope just fine as is. Its more cornering that i struggle with(especially after getting out of a lowered liberty)

alex

[r00fi]

Found this on a soob aircraft site:

Subaru engine weights

EJ18 170 lbs
EA81 135
EA82 155
EJ22 185
EJ25 210
ER27 250
EG33 300

Long block - no ancillaries

[heath]

So you got the gearbox, EJ22, exhaust from EJ22 to the joint after the cat, clutch for $480? Did you get any wiring with that - the loom and computer?

If you got all of the above for $480 including the loom and computer I can't wait for that pay packet/series of pay packets that allows me to do this...

Cheers

Bennie

not the compute and loom my mate brought me them for my birthday present.

and it was outta the marron liberty the one with the rs bonet scoope

[El_Freddo]

Not sure the RX discs would make much difference, as most of the braking power is directed at the front anyhow. It's also worth keeping in mind that drums can often have a more effective stopping power because they have a much larger surface area than disks. The problem is they (drums) don't dissipate heat well so fade quickly, hence disks are better for repeated applications. Drums are also more affected by water than disks.

Its not necessarily about effectiveness - for an engineer's cert or fitting of the EJ20 you might find that you need to match the brakes of the donor vehicle the engine comes from... The RX discs are the easiest option for this if you can find a set. You'd have to check it out with vic roads.

Heath, do you know how much the loom cost as your birthday present? If you don't mind sharing...

Cheers

Bennie

[daveosubi]

Dam I wrote a reply yesterday but must have forgotten to post it before I turned the computer off, in the rush to go home

Thanks again for the replies, will go and check out jolly rodgers soon and look for 2litre motors.

Venom thanks, sounds like a good cheap advice.

As for the brakes I haven't had any fade driving around the hills where I live, I think the standard one's will be fine. As for driving style , ive only had 1 speeding fine in 12 yrs, so I dont really drive like a jerk .

If I was going to do the brakes it'd go the fronts first. I know old vw's benifit a fair bit from putting rear disc's due to the rear engine design.

[AlpineRaven]

Dam I wrote a reply yesterday but must have forgotten to post it before I turned the computer off, in the rush to go home

Thanks again for the replies, will go and check out jolly rodgers soon and look for 2litre motors.

Venom thanks, sounds like a good cheap advice.

As for the brakes I haven't had any fade driving around the hills where I live, I think the standard one's will be fine. As for driving style , ive only had 1 speeding fine in 12 yrs, so I dont really drive like a jerk .

If I was going to do the brakes it'd go the fronts first. I know old vw's benifit a fair bit from putting rear disc's due to the rear engine design.

How did you go at Jollys?
Cheers
AP

[daveosubi]

How did you go at Jollys?
Cheers
AP

I didnt get a chance last weekend, Im not sure if im going to go the conversion now. Thinking about buying a spare L and using that motor.

It's been 2 weeks and im missing it, still it looks like Ive been places with the snow last sunday.