Hmm what to do.ej22 vs ea82t. i need some opinions.

SuBaRiNo · Post by **SuBaRiNo** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:01 pm

The debate has changed from what Matt should do to what is better. It's obvious what is better. They would still be putting ea82Ts into Libertys if they were as good as EJs.

I did vote for EJ however im a BIG fan of being unique. Im starting to notice there is much less interest in the EJ conversion because they are getting so common.

I read up top that someone said an EJ turbo conversion was no harder than an EJ22 conversion... are you nuts?? Have you done both? There is a lot of extra stuff envolved in the Turbo conversion.

At the end of the day it's your choice Matt. EJ is no longer unique but it is reliable. If it's your only car you probably need reliability.

But remember... the motor may become more reliable when doing a conversion but the rest of the car becomes more un-reliable.

Dave

BlackMale · Post by **BlackMale** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:20 pm

Again I wonder why I bother, in point form…

1. Appreciate your efforts to stop this escalating. There is a part of me that is telling me to forget about posting a reply, however that is in conflict with the other part which is willing to discuss as an open forum. Should it escalate and/or become off topic really quickly then I’ll delete and more to PM’s to resolve.

2a. The WA crew being EJ bias was a joke do you all not read everything and see the LOL.

2b. If we really want to argue this point in this thread (and its benificial) then lets go… if your were not all in favour of the EJ power plan then why have you all converted to it, why not retain the EA?!?!? – Alex you (and others) just said it yourself “EJ flogs EA in every aspect” if you were not bias to this engine being better all round then why did you convert to it – does this not indicate that you favour this engine, coupled with what appears to be your inability to offer a balanced critique of the 2 options. Hmmm what was that you said “silly comment”.

3. I said, and quote “EJ’s do have some advantages over the EA… I have been open about the fact that if I had my time again I would seriously consider 4WDing in an EJ. Therefore I am not disputing the EJ performance, it’s a new engine and new design which should (and does) equate to an increase, it’s a little thing called development, its kinda like progress and yes Subaru does it well.

4. No offence intended however maybe its got more to do with the way you drive it. Yes, it requires a different driving style and yes I agree you have to wait for the turbo to spool up. Do you or anybody else want to talk about how they perform on boost?

5. To date as far as I know an 82T can (and has) basically gone everywhere an EJ has, it is an interesting debate to argue which does it “easier”.

6. I thought that I was somewhat consistent with BYB-01’s post why are you not all slagging of at this!? Would it be easier I deleted posts altogether? If all opinions are not welcome then just let me know.

7. Oh, and I am so apposed to the EJ that as of this coming weekend I may infact be the owner of a 2” lifted, 14” shod, front bar, spot lights, LSD, rear disc break, 5 sp dual range, EJ, yes EJ powered Subaru. And yet I still say I would not converting my turbo EA to an NA EJ – personally I can not find the logic in that.

8. Sorry Dave, however how on earth are we discussing that 1 engine is more reliable then another!? Are we talking about putting 1 new EA82T and 1 new EJ22 and putting them in the exact same operating conditions hypothetically taking out ALL the variables and then discussing the results?

I do agree though that the debate has changed from what Matt should do to what is better.

Subafury · Post by **Subafury** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:25 pm

cheers for the opinions fellas. i think im definitely swayed now to do the conversion. it wont happen straight away because i still want my car for holiday 4x4 but i will keep my eyes open for a cheap wrecked liberty. and hopefully one that has had a major service done to it already.
has anyone had any major dramas with a replacement ej22? what are things to look out for.
i also have a plan that could work for me to still see/drive my ea82t. needs some more thinking tho.

Subafury · Post by **Subafury** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:32 pm

blackmale your opinions are valued too and defintely should not be deleted. there always needs to be a differing opinon.
like subarino said above the main thing i need which i have not had with the ea82t is reliability. i plan on keeping this car as my daily for the next 3+ years and do not want to spend countless dollars on keeping an old motor up to scratch.

as fo the shell being less reliable , in my case i think i have already swapped most moving parts and some not moving ie captive nuts, so i think it is quite reliable atm.

btw +$150 to the bill today for a captive thread repair

Matatak · Post by **Matatak** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:45 pm

i love Blackmales replys to..(and my reply to urs was also sarcastic)

u shulda made it a Public Poll.

and i didnt think that thread repair was gonna be cheap.

Matt SHULD keep the 82T in some respect..maybe get a Liberty as a Daily.
ofcourse its fun to drive around our offraders daily but its not wts best for them.

i wuld liek to see the Dyno graphs of his and Alexs (coz theyre going to turn out alot more similair than another pair of Dyno sheets.)
that wuld be an intersting sight seeing how the tourque and power curves differentiate between the 2 cars. with their different drivelines.
we cant keep sayin that Matts is a bog standard 82T with the recent mods hes done it i cna see hed have more tourque and horsepower all over the rev range. yes downlow it may not be as good as a 22...but then again a 22 isnt as good as a 25.
every motor will ALWAYS have a superior to itself.

Post by **Alex** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:48 pm

BlackMale wrote: 2b. If we really want to argue this point in this thread (and its benificial) then lets go… if your were not all in favour of the EJ power plan then why have you all converted to it, why not retain the EA?!?!? – Alex you (and others) just said it yourself “EJ flogs EA in every aspect” if you were not bias to this engine being better all round then why did you convert to it – does this not indicate that you favour this engine, coupled with what appears to be your inability to offer a balanced critique of the 2 options. Hmmm what was that you said “silly comment”.

you make no sense AT ALL...i've read that half a dozen times and i still don't understand what your trying to say!

i have offered two opinions by saying that EA has nothing over EJ, i cannot think of plus side to having an EA, at all. Apart from originality which in this case really means nothing because Matt is really after reliability.

re-read what you have written, you are actually severely bias to ea82t..all this is pretty much a dig at EJ...

end rant i've had enough of this bs, im on holidays, going for a swim.

alex

Subafury · Post by **Subafury** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:49 pm

i forgot to make it a public poll. a moderator can change it if they canbf.
i cant really afford another car on the road that is out of the question.

SuBaRiNo · Post by **SuBaRiNo** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:03 pm

You should know not to open a thread asking for peoples opinions on Ea82Ts. I sorta expected some of these full page threads from Jaffa. I stopped reading after point 2b.

Some people have got all upset about Jaffas post when he has only posted his opinion. However he has managed to disagree with pretty much everyone including myself. Which should not anoy anyone because it's HIS opinion. Im looking forward to the usual AndrewT retaliation post that usually follows.

Dave

Subafury · Post by **Subafury** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:09 pm

SuBaRiNo wrote:You should know not to open a thread asking for peoples opinions on Ea82Ts. I sorta expected some of these full page threads from Jaffa. I stopped reading after point 2b.

Some people have got all upset about Jaffas post when he has only posted his opinion. However he has managed to disagree with pretty much everyone including myself. Which should not anoy anyone because it's HIS opinion. Im looking forward to the usual AndrewT retaliation post that usually follows.

Dave

bahahah u have these boards down pat dave

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:15 pm

I like stickin' with what the car basically came out with, BUT EJ is sort of the latest available even though they themselves are getting a bit long in the tooth, though they aren't much younger than the oldest EA82T. If you can get all the EJ bits ( big list it appears) and all the help to get one running properly and passed for rego so insurance doesn't dump you in time of need. If I was you and had the budget (x 2 , like all budgets that blow out), the time, the space, the barbie and beers _ I'd do it EJ, coz in a few years time EA82T bits (all the metal water hoses) that matter are gonna be real hard to come by in good order - yet EJ stuff will be plentiful I reckon

Matatak · Post by **Matatak** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:20 pm

i think Blackmale has soem very good points actually.

BlackMale · Post by **BlackMale** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:19 pm

Dave why you tell lies!?!?!
You know you read past point 2b cause I was coincidently on the phone to you at the time you were reading oh AND you proved that you read it as you know I disagreed with you in the last dot point – good job funny man, if you guna lie make it good LOL.

All I was suggesting is that if we are talking about how do we compare how reliable (and ONLY reliability) in one engine is over another without controlled clinical testing. With the exception to 2 very public unforeseeable failures in the bush my engine has been just as reliable as any other.

Its not about disagreeing with the entire board, your right its about offering an opinion. We have done may of these in the past (EJ vs EA, L vs MY, L vs Libs, 2” vs 3” lift kits, etc). All I was attempting to offer was an unbias balanced answer/opinion to a potentially impossible questions.

Yes I am passionate about the 82T however I am also passionate about the EJ and there is a place for the EJ.

I believe that my ea82T can (and does) match it with any NA EJ and should you disagree then let see, as for the EJ turbo there is no contest (give me the EJ).

Subafury, there are other issues also not raised in this thread yet for you to consider, road worthy/rego legalities and insurance option aside, what about...
- fuel cost and economy. I am assuming that you may not need hi octane fuel any more which, (will cost you less) and will you fuel consumption may vary with EJ (I am assuming that the EJ will be more fuel efficient).
- Home mechanics. Eg. NA EJ is far less complex/less hoses pipe and sh*t then the 82T (unless you look in Subarino's engine bay), which make the EJ much simpler to work on.

It would appear that you have made up your mind so as i said, let me know if as I may assist in paying some of the conversion depending on what you have to sell.

Alex between you and me its all good –hope you don’t drown. Should you wish to continue with the un/bias critique then we’ll talk off this thread others seem to get it despite my typos.

timmo · Post by **timmo** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:36 pm

IMHO i think ea82t is great for hwy use, ej(22na) far superior offroad. The ej is gonna have way lower under bonnet temperature very important in low airflow situation & superior low down torque so you can use the torque of the engine to crawl over obstacles & up hills & look after the fragile l series captive nuts, supension components etc. But on the hwy, ea82t is great plenty of airflow through the rad & intercooler, engine whistling away nicely. I'll also say the ea82t must be kept in a1 condition, otherwise you'll always be chasing your tail.

Post by **Alex** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:47 pm

BlackMale wrote:
Alex between you and me its all good –hope you don’t drown. Should you wish to continue with the un/bias critique then we’ll talk off this thread others seem to get it despite my typos.

you all should know me well enough, im not getting fired up or anything, i just cant say no to a good 'debate'

im only sh*t stirring half of the time

alex

PeeJay · Post by **PeeJay** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:51 pm

SuBaRiNo wrote:I read up top that someone said an EJ turbo conversion was no harder than an EJ22 conversion... are you nuts?? Have you done both? There is a lot of extra stuff envolved in the Turbo conversion.

What extra bits? Perhaps a bigger fuel pump, but my EA82T pump runs the EJ20T fine. EA gearbox was fine, but perhaps needed a heavy duty clutch (mine was the AWD version). EJ22 radiator will work fine on EJ20G. Wiring is the same between EJ22/EJ20T.

I guess I did have to install a radiator and water pump for the intercooler, but I can't honestly think of anything else extra that an EJ20T would need over an EJ22/EA82T

Obviously if you use the car as a thrash box your mileage will vary.

AndrewT · Post by **AndrewT** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:24 pm

Jaffa geeze, once again, please calm down.
You can't keep turning threads into massive novels apparently complaining because people disagree with you, calling people liers etc. Nobody else seems to take such personal offense to simple debating on a public forum. Nobody else seems to resond in such an agressive and immature way.
Matt asked for opinions, you gave yours, other people gave theirs. No reason to rant on and on seemingly just because most of your points were trumped with logic.

If you are going to make a joke in the middle of one of your very confusing posts, please label them clearly...

BlackMale wrote:2b. If we really want to argue this point in this thread (and its benificial) then lets go… if your were not all in favour of the EJ power plan then why have you all converted to it, why not retain the EA?!?!? – Alex you (and others) just said it yourself “EJ flogs EA in every aspect” if you were not bias to this engine being better all round then why did you convert to it – does this not indicate that you favour this engine, coupled with what appears to be your inability to offer a balanced critique of the 2 options. Hmmm what was that you said “silly comment”.

Is this reference to "bias" also a joke?
Alex didn't choose an EJ motor because he was biased towards them. He choose it because he reseached it and decided it was a better option! (as far as I know). Bias is defined as something which prevents unprejudiced consideration. ie, Alex might be biased on buying / recommending Coke instead of Pepsi because he has a substantial investment in the Coca Cola company.
Bias is obviously NOT the reason behind him recommending an EJ over an EA motor.

I don't really like the way this thread has gone so if a moderator can perhaps cut the posts down to leave the useful and on-topic information only, I'd be in favour!

Jaffa, Congrats on the possible new car, can't wait to see it - are you ever going to attend a social 4x4 trip or organise one?

sven '2' · Post by **sven '2'** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:24 pm

I just think you WA guys (and VICs, QLD, NSW, NT and probably even TAS) are lucky to have this argurement. Am jealous!!

We in SA cannot put EJs into Ls, MYs, anything and meet compliance. My mate had an EJ in his MY hatch - like daves - was defected, ended up converting an AWD EJ powered hatch with a 2" lift to stock - 1600 NA FWD to be able pass roadworthy.

Ohhh baby (Homer voice), for national road rules...doubt SA would then be able to trump other states.

For the record, go the EJ - originality means squat in 20 year old subarus

Outback bloke · Post by **Outback bloke** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:11 pm

I love Jaffas posts. Takes me 20 minutes to do the board when he is posting compared to 5.

I think I sort of lost track in my previous post. What I was trying to say was, if I had an EA82T powered car I would not change it to EJ22 if the motor in it just needed some TLC. If the turbo motor was needing a rebuild then I would simply put in an EJ.

Subafury · Post by **Subafury** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:41 pm

ok that is the forst official post ive understood from you blackmale and agree with what you say.

yes i have made up my mind and have no objections for once from the parentals which is a first also.

andrewt has first dibs on everything in my engine bay. i would very much like to see his rx resurrected. id also like to drive it too

enough for one night. time to go out

SUBYDAZZ · Post by **SUBYDAZZ** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:08 am

SuBaRiNo wrote:I did vote for EJ however im a BIG fan of being unique.

How is an EA82T unique when there is more than one of them getting around?

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Hmm what to do.ej22 vs ea82t. i need some opinions.

which motor to have.