electric power system, electronic supercharger ??

[fredsub]

It's good to see people coming from different background on this board.
Yeah... it tends to raise a lot of debates when the "new" technology comes out...

umm, what new technology ? don't see anything there new....

No doubt if you reduce resistance of conductors to fuel injectors/ecu they have a greater potential to work with. And these days with car manufacturers ever decreasing margins who would notice the reduction of cable thickness - save a few dollars per car - but its inferior.
Additionally capacitors much more efficiently provide the pulse currents required to drive injectors than what the battery is able to, CDIs like the MSD unit have large capacitors on the supply side for exactly that reason, the current pulse from the 12v line spikes to 20+amps when it charges the output capacitor at 300+V.

anyway, eggy, no use trying to sell your system to people here on this forum...I'm sure all here know or are willing to learn to improve their cars for much less $.
more bang for buck already mentioned in previous posts.

Selling those kinds of fads for those $ is more about what low level the seller stoops to to get money outa ignorant people - well maybe they deserve it

[subanator]

Selling those kinds of fads for those $ is more about what low level the seller stoops to to get money outa ignorant people - well maybe they deserve it

Bwhaaaaaaaaa, probably the same ones who buy Hyclone filters too.

I cant see why you would have to condition pure DC anyway, as said, all other signals otherwise are sheilded. Get real.

[MUDRAT]

I was thinking, if I put a Hyclone, voltage stabaliser, some Splitfire plugs, pod filter and cannon muffler on my GLf, will it get into the 9s? Or do I need blue windscreen washer LEDs for that?

[Subaru_Nut]

Go the red led's gives you better top end

[tim_81coupe]

I found that running 13" shiny wheels on my coupe I ran 18.0 at 115kmh.
When I put a set of 15" shiny wheels I ran 14.2 at 157kmh.*
From that I'm guessing if you put 17" shiny wheels on your GLF you'll get at least 10's.


Seriously though, you've gotta do a horsepower sum. I've seen the Honda boys do this with great success.

Stock output = 55kw.
Hyclone + 10kw
Voltage Stabiliser +10kw
Splitfire plugs +5kw
Pod Filter +15kw
Cannon Muffler +15kw.

New HP = 110kw. Double the HP!

*Note: vehicle may have undergone minor performance mods not affecting results between these two times.


On a serious note, Eggy, can you tell me what justifies the difference in price between the ES and ESC models?
And about the Camry, I happen to work in a Toyota dealership and I think I can explain why that customer needed more oomph. Yes, the 2AZ motor is a little small for such a big car, but I think the real problem is that for quite a few months there the Adelaide plant that builds Camry's wasn't tightening up the positive battery terminals...

[MY_STI]

I love all the "pumps" and "actives" on the site, I lost count

As far as I can know Capacitor Discharge Ignition systems apply to ignition only as freb sub explained, this appears to claim more of a smoothing action at the battery. "the pumps provide current when and where it needed" or something like that, the wording almost makes its sound active. Ha

To me it seems the CDI and ES - 'x' are very different in their operation.

Would also like to see unaltered pics of a CRO signal between the battery terminals, with and without the product.

Might whip one up on a rainy day, let you all know how it goes, already have the expensive beefy earths should save me at least $500 on prototype costs.

I going to hazard a guess that most people with an offroad sub would be running a decent battery, a reputable N70Z or so, which they have upgraded the earths etc for a pitance. In which case most deficits in power would be with a fault in the wiring loom itself, which the product does not address.

With a dying/poor quality/factory delivered? battery a gain may be noticed, awaiting the CRO readout.

[Gannon]

Eggy,... i know that it sounds like we are all having a go at you, but you have to understand that most of us drive cars that arent worth $1000, and cannot justify a device that will take an 85hp car to 85.5hp.

Where exactly is this device connected into the electrical system?
Do you have a circuit diagram or photos of the pcb of the actual device

I second a CRO test.


Gannon

[MUDRAT]

Looks like it goes between the battery teminals.

[fredsub]

........
I second a CRO test.


Gannon

out of interest I investigated what the hell could be wrong with the Battery supply......
so asking for CRO test ?

on a ea82t the injectors are low impedance 4ohm types...and thats showing the noise spike due to an injector...just a tad more than 200mv...the reading is from nearer to the injectors on the common rail.....is that something to worry about?


this reading is from a terminal which is a junction of ignition supply, and supply to CDI - without the cdi the terminal would be connecting to the V+ of the coil.
So its about 0.8v p-p. am I worried ?
this terminal gets Vbat via the ignition switch,etc..so rather long path...could be improved by using a relay and routing power more closely from battery...but why? cdi can work just as well at 6V.

so all i'm saying is this mob is making a mountain of an issue outa something which is so marginal and infitesmal.

If still not convinced, heres what I'd do...
4x4700uF Low ESR 35V(or greater) electolytic capacitors in parellel+0.5uFmetal film capcitor (for hi freq noise). put it all in a small zippy box and wire it across battery- mindfull of polarity. If going to that trouble may as well get a 10W 22Volt zener for possible transient protection across it too.
couldn't cost more than $30.

[PeeJay]

Last time I checked, car electrical system norminal voltage is 12v.
With engine running it will be almost 14v
Ecu supply voltage is 5v so it won't give a damn about fluctuations.
Coils are current devices so they don't care what the voltage is so long as the required current is flowing.

The best it might do is make your audio sound better, but you'd be better off spending $169 on a decent head unit with an inbuilt filter

Sorry, I have to put this in the same category as those "performance silicon radiator hoses" on ebay.

If you had a circuit block diagram or other scientific evidence we'd love to see it.

[steptoe]

I hope all this is healthy discussion and not meant to be offensive to eggy who has been good to continue discussion and note that a pay when you feel it type arrangement.

I think the best way to feel this would be to have a switchable unit so various test runs could be undertaken on the next subie run - say a test run up Mt Ousley then switch it on and see if can be felt in the pants

At least this discussion is going to plant the seed in someones mind to take eggy up on this ofer he has for all customers

A dyno run might be a good idea , also fuel emmissions etc

Fuelstars are still being flogged, seen one fitted on a Diesel for evaluation and never removed due to care factor - assessor reckons no results were different than before fitment


Testimonials are good but not measurable in the way many do test changes in engine management and components

When I finally get a motor for my GLAT, get it running and stopping and registered and gassed up I might just take a drive - but surely some curious cat will beat me to it ?

[fredsub]

Jono, your not paying attention...
This one is debunked.....
any theoretical gain is so infitesmal you certainly won't feel anything in the pant....and certainly not up MT Ousley .

All you need to do is make sure is that your wiring is up to scratch...the car 12V electrical system easily copes with the load (including the current pulses) from injectors/ignition etc.

...note that a pay when you feel it type arrangement

ha ha...time is money...waste of time bothering with it.

[smoov]

Aww crap. Where have I been?? Already debunked?

And I wanted to have a go...

Now as most of you would know, I call a spade a spade. Im also a big sceptic with these "new technological advancements". I like my modifications that are tried and tested. This one hasn't been tried and tested with the wider modified car community.

I'm willing to sacrifice a saturday morning to check one of these out on my 22RE powered Corona (shhh. its a runabout). 2.4L Electronically Injected Hilux motor, with 182k kms (no spring chicken). The wiring doesn't look crash hot, but hey, its a daily hack, and I have no real intentions in improving its performance, unless its cheap, and improves fuel economy.

Although I don't have a CRO, I could give a "seat of the pants" report after trialling one of these if anyone is willing me to. Or, if anyone else is willing to come up to Sydney (doubt it! :P) We can give it an in depth analysis...

Or have we lost all faith in this product without any physical trial?

I also will remain on the sceptical side of this. No offence eggy, as Tim said, I too am a screwdriver and carby cleaner sort of guy...

[MUDRAT]

I'd be interested putting one in my E-class for a day. Just to see, so long as someone can promise that it doesn't have the potential to harm anything.

[smoov]

that's a big call there muddy...

$$ of 80's Toyota EFI < $$$$$$$$$$$ of 00's Mercedes EFI

[MUDRAT]

Yeah well if someone could maybe offer a warantee or something that it won't hurt it for a day? I was thinking that if it works at all, you'd certainly see it on the Merc with it's electrical whizz-bangery.

[fredsub]

I'd be interested putting one in my E-class for a day. Just to see, so long as someone can promise that it doesn't have the potential to harm anything.

Its potential to do anything at all is just about non-existant......
so shouldn't present a problem....
hope it has some bling factor to it....maybe in bright flourescent pink

if Mercedes is saving a few meserly $ on cheaper/inferior electric cabling........

[tim_81coupe]

I think we've scared Eggy off.


EDIT: Oh and I've just noticed this (could be the final nail in the coffin)

He said he feels his car is on OVER-DRIVE (for those people drive TOYOTA, you should know what the overdrive is)...

I drive Toyotas every day. Overdrive is the top gear, nothing out of the ordinary there. In a Camry, this is actuated by a switch on the shift lever. This switch is on by default, pressing it shifts the box back to 3rd (or for some, it unleashes the POWER).