Is my WRX STi or not?

d_generate · Post by **d_generate** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:19 pm

Brumby Kid wrote:WRX is on the p plate banned list.
You can drive a turbo on your P plates over there?

Cam

Please mate, unless you are 100% sure of what you are saying please put "I think" before your statement, every single post you have made here (5 times) has been wrong/misleading.

W.A. = No banned list "yet".
It has a turbo.
Why would it be an aftermarket turbo?
T on engine number.
Not all STI's were 6 speed, from MY95 until the second bug eye in MY02 they were all 5 speed, 4.11 until 97 then they went to 4.44 until 02, the MY01 GD WRX STI was a 5 speed with the earlier 4 pot brakes.

Good luck with the car mate, sounds like it may just need to be put over the pits.

Brumby Kid · Post by **Brumby Kid** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:34 pm

d_generate wrote:
W.A. = No banned list "yet".
It has a turbo.
Why would it be an aftermarket turbo?
T on engine number.
Not all STI's were 6 speed, from MY95 until the second bug eye in MY02 they were all 5 speed, 4.11 until 97 then they went to 4.44 until 02, the MY01 GD WRX STI was a 5 speed with the earlier 4 pot brakes.

There is a banned list that WA will adopt when they pass the law, it's on there.
The engine number does NOT have a T in it. Therefor I'm saying aftermarket.
N models vs S models

Tomi · Post by **Tomi** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:50 pm

niterida wrote:I was referring to the vehicle registration which has a component of it that is called 3rd party. This covers injuries and deaths - much more expensive to repair someones broken back than their car. If your car is unregistered (or has something wrong with it which would render it unregisterable such as a turbo motor that you haven't told them about) then 3rd party insurance won't cover you.

Even if the rego papers have the right engine number but it is still registered as 1.6 non-turbo then it is not really legally registered. You MUST tell them about the 2.0l Turbo and get it inspected.

My dad is still convinced that if the engine numbers match the car, then there are no problems. The reason is, when department of transport give us the registration papers and if it has 1.6L engine on there, what if we didn't know anything about the engine? We could have thought is was a 1.6L without realizing. We would have never of corrected it.

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:01 pm

Id get it changed if I were you. Insurance companies will find any means to avoid a payout, say for example your car is involved in an accident and as a result somebody is made a paraplegic. If the insurance company finds out that the engine is different to what is on their records, they will void the 3rd party insurance and make you pay the medical bills, ongoing treatment, possible lawsuit that results.

tambox · Post by **tambox** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:40 pm

And now that you have your story in writing on the worlds book (internet) and you are aware it is not correct, you have to sort it out to comply with your legal obligations.

Its amazing what can be found out on the internet.
Be carefull

Tomi · Post by **Tomi** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:52 pm

tambox wrote:And now that you have your story in writing on the worlds book (internet) and you are aware it is not correct, you have to sort it out to comply with your legal obligations.

Its amazing what can be found out on the internet.
Be carefull

Yeah I guess so. We just have to wait for the registration papers to come back.

Happy New Year!

d_generate · Post by **d_generate** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:02 am

Gannon wrote:Id get it changed if I were you. Insurance companies will find any means to avoid a payout, say for example your car is involved in an accident and as a result somebody is made a paraplegic. If the insurance company finds out that the engine is different to what is on their records, they will void the 3rd party insurance and make you pay the medical bills, ongoing treatment, possible lawsuit that results.

3rd party "liability" has absolutely nothing to do with the third party "damage" you organise with your insurance company, it's the government insurance that you pay with your registration, the other party will be covered but they may come after you for costs if you have no rego/license, his car is registered so other parties and himself and passengers are covered.

Mind you don't go hitting a new Rolls Royce cos you'll be in more deep shit than you could ever imagine.

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:33 am

I was talking about 3rd party liability or green slip. I have to take out a green slip with my insurer before I go to the RMS (road and maritime services) to complete my registration. It covers me if somebody injured by my car sues me for ongoing medical costs.
After the car is registered, I can then take out 3rd party property, fire and theft or comprehensive insurance.
Im guessing its different in WA

Post by **TOONGA** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:40 am

To the east coast members

Licensing / registration in WA isn't a yearly over the pits affair. if cars get defect notices or are allowed to run out of rego, then they must go over the pits to allow for re-licensing as long as we pay our rego and don't get pulled over for a vehicle check we don't have a problem

. as for a cover note/ green slip yes we can get these when we take cars to the pits. I don't believe many people do it in WA but it can be done.

Tomi

If your registration details have the current engine number and vin number and has been registered that way, then the only thing you must do is tell the insurance company that the engine is 2.0l turbocharged, AWD 5 speed etc so they have the correct information on the books.

This will make for a hefty premium but as long as the insurance company has the correct details then in an accident you will be covered.

I would be very hesitant to tell them it is a conversion as they will want you to take the car to an assessor or engineer to ensure the car is roadworthy, if they deem it unroadworthy then you won't be able to insure it. it will be registered still but un-isurable.

TOONGA

Tomi · Post by **Tomi** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:16 pm

Would the seller be at fault here? He was advertising the car as a WRX that was registered, but in fact it turns out to be a 2.0L turbo conversion, not registered (as a 2.0L)

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:51 pm

what is that latin term for buyer beware - if between private buyer/seller you may likely have no luck whatsoever. Different if it was a dealer. Get onto your state dept fair trading for advice.

Post by **TOONGA** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:54 pm

Tomi wrote:Would the seller be at fault here? He was advertising the car as a WRX that was registered, but in fact it turns out to be a 2.0L turbo conversion, not registered (as a 2.0L)

I could say yes he is at fault, but then what proof do you have?

if the ad was on the internet there is a 99.9% chance it has been removed, if it was in the paper you have printed proof to make a claim of false advertising but it will be a long and expensive road to prove you have been misled.

he can say he was told when he bought it that it was a WRX, the owner before him can then say sorry I told him it was a conversion and it can go in a circle for years or until someone runs out of money to pay lawyer bills.

2 questions the 2nd one is 2 part

1.Are you happy with your purchase?

2. Do you want a refund and are willing to go to court to get a refund?

TOONGA

Tomi · Post by **Tomi** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:08 pm

1. Not anymore
2. Yes I would like a refund (Hopefully we don't have to go to court for it)

What are the chances that we can sell the car as a Subaru Impreza "WRX Clone"? Would we make the money back on it?

tambox · Post by **tambox** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:14 pm

If the point is brought up during transfer into you name, ie when you first see the rego papers, you may have legal grounds to take action. As you had checked and the numbers matched, the description by the seller was incorrect.
But once you have accepted the paperwork, even though you know its wrong, your problem then.

As it was a private sale, you can ask the seller to either fix it or give a refund, when they finish laughing, you should get legal advise. Then it all turns to s--t. Civil legal matters are expensive and take time, probably cheaper to get the car to comply as required. Dept of fair trading will advise you for free.

What you have put in writing in these posts indicates you were not aware the car was a conversion.

Good luck.

Tomi · Post by **Tomi** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:19 pm

I wasn't aware at the start of the thread that the car was a conversion (thought it was a genuine WRX) but I have realized now.

Brumby Kid · Post by **Brumby Kid** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:25 pm

What would you charge him/ take him to court over?
It seems that your unlucky/ dum enough to buy it. (I'm calling unlucky as you checked it out first)
I'm not really sure where he is in the wrong, except for this technicality that you NEED to fix up Incase you have an accident.

Cam

tambox · Post by **tambox** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:30 pm

Same as the insurance companies will not payout for, incorrect (more powerfull) engine than the car came with.

Tomi · Post by **Tomi** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:36 pm

Is it possible for a mechanic of some sort to take the turbo off the car? So the car becomes a N/A 2.0L. Would it then become easier to register properly and insure?

Post by **TOONGA** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:54 pm

Tomi wrote:Is it possible for a mechanic of some sort to take the turbo off the car? So the car becomes a N/A 2.0L. Would it then become easier to register properly and insure?

No and no...

The engine is designed to run with a turbo removing it will turn the motor into a slug.

Wait until the papers come, if the engine number is the one thats on the engine block and the vin number is the one on the body (the papers match the numbers on the car) the car has been registered properly. To get a car over the pits in WA requires an inspection of the engine, gearbox, running gear, wheels, tires and body, if the inspectors have said ok then the car is legal.

as quoted before by quite a few people this thread IS FULL OF PERSONAL OPINIONS AND MIS-INFORMATION. West Australian registration laws are completely different to every other state in Australia. (we probably have the the easiest in Australia)

You will find it hard to insure more than anything, because of your age but you will find it even harder to get your money back.

Remember as long as the numbers match it has been registered legally.

TOONGA

tambox · Post by **tambox** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:04 pm

As you have been given different views and advise, the only way to sort it out correctly is talk the government registration people in your state and they will advise you, from the written rules in front on them.