L Series sedan 4WD auto turbo - not RX - what am I ?

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Mon May 29, 2006 10:42 am

My VIN is BROBF so I will never ever be a real RX (BROBE) even if I got the sexy interior to go with it , anyway brown is an in colour at the moment.

Am I gonna feel like a child of mixed races and backgrounds and confused as to who I am ? Someone telling me I am this , but I am not that ?

No matter what is done to me I will still be a BROBF.
L Series turbo automatic with electro pneumatic height adjustable suspension is a mouthful.

I think I should be proud of my heritage and post all stuff titles as BROBF or try and call meself a Rx (emphasisi on little x ) or RS Rs.

what do you think ?

F surely has to mean fast ?

Subaman · Post by **Subaman** » Mon May 29, 2006 1:33 pm

I have provided proof on this subject before, but there is those who still cant accept the fact and like to think the chassis numbers are the decider like the JG33 on the GT Falcons, if only it was that simple. The Automatic was marketed as a RX Turbo in Australia, however the only place you find the "RX" is on a $10 sticker, the famous BROBE,BROBF argument proves nothing other than "E" ment one was a manual and "F" ment it one was an auto. They both had the same power plants and there is no chassis numbers linked to the letters "RX" there is no chassis numbers linked to checkered interiors and no chassis number to designate an LSD. Due to the nature of their gearboxes and to those they would be marketed towards they were optioned accordingly. In the end they are both just turbo L Series sedans with slightly different stickers and different options, the main thing is they are both Subaru's and both as good as each other.

I am guessing the later model RX's with the AWD box prolly never had the BROBE either, if this is the case does that mean they are not an RX?

AndrewT · Post by **AndrewT** » Mon May 29, 2006 9:59 pm

After all, if any L series has all the RX-specific parts fitted to it, what is the actual diference? Is "genuine RX" actually better for some reason?

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:16 pm

Oh good, makes me feel better. AWD later model '89 L series RX like LTurbo has BROBH . Has anyone got BROB G

Don't mind being a little woloof in sheep clothes if I get going

$10 sticker makes it RX, so there :P

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:33 pm

Subaman wrote:I have provided proof on this subject before, but there is those who still cant accept the fact and like to think the chassis numbers are the decider like the JG33 on the GT Falcons, if only it was that simple.

Grant, seeing as mostly me that has been at loggerheads with you about the issue as to whether the GLTA is actually an RX can you please provide this proof again?

After all, th AU Fairmont is really just an XR6 isn't it, well, change the interior and the front fascia and it is, I mean it has the same engine, so it must be...

The RX was the special sport version with 5 speed, cheque interior, special version decals and heavier suspension. The auto was just that, a more luxo version, it had air suspension, a more conservative interior and an auto, They are a completely different spec variant.

I have only ever claimed the BROBE/F difference to be the decider in Australia as the turbo was never released outside these two VIN's here, other countries have completely different marketing strategies for their models.

The last letter just determines the transmission. It is entirely possible in other countries to have a BROBE vin that is not an RX, the VIN does not determine the spec variant, it determines the mechanical variant.

Proof in my eyes is a brochure from 1985 that shows an Auto with factory cheque interior, factory black dash and factory RX decals - won't happen because the RX is manual

The auto is no less a motor-vehicle however as, as a mechanical package they are essentially identical, save the 2 missing gears...

JG33 tells you the car is an GT sedan, it doesn't tell you its a HO Phase III, does that mean next gold XY sedan I see means it's actually a genuine HO Phase III because someone stuck the super roo decals on it?

Subaman · Post by **Subaman** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:31 am

LOL, I knew you would bite sooner or later

We talking about Fords or Subarus here?

The RX was the special sport version with 5 speed, cheque interior, special version decals and heavier suspension.

I would have thought both the auto and the manual would be considered "special sport versions" given the fact the auto was turbo charged(just like the manual), had alloy wheels(just like the manual), 4 wheel disc brakes(just like the manual), front and rear sway bays(just like a manual), sports shaped seats(just like the manual), black outs(just like the manual), boot spoiler(just like the manual),spats(just like the manual),and sports decals(just like the manual).Given the fact that the auto also had a higher stall torque converter and unique self levelling suspension that lowered itself over 80kmh I would considered it a sports car too.

Anyway you seem to have misunderstood my post, for some reason over the years the letters "RX" seems to have become the term used when reffering to a turbo charged L Series in general, all I was trying to say was they should be refered to as a "Turbo L" for example, even more so because other models also use the RX letters too, going back to the GT falcons, they dont use two different names when refering to a manual or auto GT. So for generalization purposes there is 3 options really, 1:We simply refer to them all as an RX and be done with it, or 2: We come up with a new name when refering to turbo L series in general(regardless of gearbox configuration) or 3: Whats in a name anyway, I drive an GX RS STI EJ20T GEN 1 SERIES 1.5 LIBERTY LEGACY

As for the paper work I have proving the auto was markedted as an RX in Aust(that I posted on the board as proof in the past) it is filed away somewhere in the spare room 8O and I cant be bothered digging for it but if I stumble across it I will post it on here once again.

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:28 pm

Subaman wrote:LOL, I knew you would bite sooner or later

Here fishy fishy fishy.....

Subaman wrote:Anyway you seem to have misunderstood my post, for some reason over the years the letters "RX" seems to have become the term used when reffering to a turbo charged L Series in general, all I was trying to say was they should be refered to as a "Turbo L" for example, even more so because other models also use the RX letters too,

Absolutely agree, they are Turbo L's, the variants are RX and Auto, the only two variants of turbo L series released in Austrlalia.

I just don't think its right to advertise an Auto Turbo on ebay/trading post etc as an 'RX', it's an RX OR its an auto GL Turbo

It would be like me selling a VS Chaser as an 'SS' just because it has 'SS' embroidered in the seats, when the external badging says 'executive'

I have a 'Car' magazine from 1986 showing the RX and 4-GLTA as variants, I am just loathe to produce magazine articles as 'evidence' due to the fact that many times in the past these magazines have made complete balls-ups in providing accurate information...