best engine / gearbox for Brumby resale

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:54 pm

Hey Guys - was going to keep both of my Brumbys once they are finshed (in 10yrs time !!) but then I thought I don't really need 2 so I thought I would build one and sell it to fund a really good build of the second one. So then I thought what would be the best engine/box combo to put in it to make the most from the resale ??

I have a choice of :

EJ22 (needs at least a head gasket - maybe more)
EJ25 OSHC - good running motor out of my Outback
EZ30D - low 29000kms

I also have a choice of boxes that go with the above motors in the same order but if necessary I can change them :

5spd 3.7 manual
4spd 4.44 auto
4spd 4.11 auto

So which combo do you think would be the best/easiest to sell and given that it will be running full (and I mean absolutely every last nut, bolt, spacer, bracket, mount etc) Liberty/WRX running gear (as in brakes, suspension, steering, etc) and will have been through a bare shell rebuild and repaint, how much do you think each option would sell for ?

taza · Post by **taza** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:01 pm

I reckon an EJ25 with the 5speed Manual.... but I like manuals. Otherwsie the EZ30 with the 4.11 or 4.44 auto.
I could actually consider buying this off you as I really want a brumby and if its been done up pretty much from scratch then that would be excellent!
One with the Impreza/wrx/sti World Rally Blue would be awesome

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:10 pm

taza wrote:I reckon an EJ25 with the 5speed Manual.... but I like manuals. Otherwsie the EZ30 with the 4.11 or 4.44 auto.
I could actually consider buying this off you as I really want a brumby and if its been done up pretty much from scratch then that would be excellent!
One with the Impreza/wrx/sti World Rally Blue would be awesome

I can build it to any spec if somebody wants to put some money up for it

I also forgot to mention I have thought of putting the EJ22 heads on the EJ25

2nd Hand Yank · Post by **2nd Hand Yank** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:12 pm

Can an EZ30 fit in my L Series?

I'm too new to Subaru, never heard of all these engines before.

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:31 pm

2nd Hand Yank wrote:Can an EZ30 fit in my L Series?

I'm too new to Subaru, never heard of all these engines before.

Yes - EZ30 (6cyl 3.0litre) is only 40mm (or is it just 20mm?) longer than EJ motor. Still a lot of other work to be done to make it fit properly and actually run in an L series....

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:35 am

EJ25 (SOHC) with the 5 speed.

Reasons are (IMO) the EJ25 will give you the best power range but can't understand why you are going to put the EJ22 heads on it? unless you are looking to do the same as me and run carby and dizzy on it. And the manual is because it's a lot more fun

mud_king91 · Post by **mud_king91** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:48 am

niterida wrote:I can build it to any spec if somebody wants to put some money up for it

I also forgot to mention I have thought of putting the EJ22 heads on the EJ25

make a franken motor you have the stuff and that way you can do a write up of it with your mistakes so when i do it to my next subie i know what not to do

Brumby Kid · Post by **Brumby Kid** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:52 am

World rally Blue, 2 inch lift, 14" sunnys, muddys, spotlights, bull bar, sports bar with spottys, elec windows, EJ'd with turbo, scoop, speakers and tv in the back!
LOL

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:43 am

RSR 555 wrote:EJ25 (SOHC) with the 5 speed.

Reasons are (IMO) the EJ25 will give you the best power range but can't understand why you are going to put the EJ22 heads on it? unless you are looking to do the same as me and run carby and dizzy on it. And the manual is because it's a lot more fun

EJ25 and manual would be my choice too - but the EJ25 ECU is from an auto - not sure how much bother it is to change to manual ??

I was thinking of putting the EJ22 heads on it to get higher compression and more power. Oh and then it would leave me with a low compression EJ22 and that could only lead to one thing

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:45 am

Brumby Kid wrote:World rally Blue, 2 inch lift, 14" sunnys, muddys, spotlights, bull bar, sports bar with spottys, elec windows, EJ'd with turbo, scoop, speakers and tv in the back!
LOL

I'll paint it blue and you can add the rest................

Brumby Kid · Post by **Brumby Kid** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:53 am

Sure if you fly me to W.A.

Brumby Kid · Post by **Brumby Kid** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:03 pm

Though im probebly better with the painting

YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:17 pm

Well if you're selling the first one I'd go with what Paul has suggested. But as for re-sale price? Good question. You'll usually get a better return from a stock brumby that's been restored than one that's been heavily modified.

Then for the second one go all out with the EZ30 and manual trans sleeper style

There won't be any need for forced induction as you'll already shit your pants with the power delivery of the flat 6! Try and keep the radiators out the front where they should be, not in the ute tub

That'd be schweet!

My 5c

Cheers

Bennie

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:09 pm

El_Freddo wrote:Well if you're selling the first one I'd go with what Paul has suggested. But as for re-sale price? Good question. You'll usually get a better return from a stock brumby that's been restored than one that's been heavily modified.

Then for the second one go all out with the EZ30 and manual trans sleeper style There won't be any need for forced induction as you'll already shit your pants with the power delivery of the flat 6! Try and keep the radiators out the front where they should be, not in the ute tub That'd be schweet!

My 5c

Cheers

Bennie

Yeah I'm leaning towards the EJ25 - but then the EZ30 has to go in my Outback to replace the EJ25.

So the next question is auto (4.44) or manual (3.7) ??
And leave the SOHC or go to the EJ22 heads ?

The second Brumby is getting a turbo rotary and DCCD 5 speed with 4.44's

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:31 pm

niterida wrote:EJ25 and manual would be my choice too - but the EJ25 ECU is from an auto - not sure how much bother it is to change to manual ??

No probs.. just give the wiring to Subarino and problem solved. He'll remove all the unnecessary junk (auto wiring included) out and leave the remaining wires all marked ready for fitting to you Brumby.

niterida wrote:I was thinking of putting the EJ22 heads on it to get higher compression and more power. Oh and then it would leave me with a low compression EJ22 and that could only lead to one thing

Not sure there is a lot of differences in the combustion chambers between the 2. I'd suggest you leave both engines untouched, as the EJ25 with all it's later model heads, manifold, etc.. will be a lot better than a mixed match setup.

niterida wrote:Yeah I'm leaning towards the EJ25 - but then the EZ30 has to go in my Outback to replace the EJ25.

Sounds like the easiest way to go.. rather than trying to convert the Brumby to EZ.

niterida wrote:So the next question is auto (4.44) or manual (3.7) ??

This will really depend on what you're planning to do withg the car.. short or long trips? road or offroad??

niterida wrote:And leave the SOHC or go to the EJ22 heads ?

Both engines you have are SOHC so no real advanges but to save buying lots of gaskets

niterida wrote:The second Brumby is getting a turbo rotary and DCCD 5 speed with 4.44's

I remember you talking about this at my shop and think this will make an awesome road car, so with that in mind, is the 1st Brumby going to be an offroader or for sale?

YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:34 pm

If the EZ30 ends up in the outback you HAVE to have it mated to a MANUAL!!! These go wickedly sick with a manual!

And that's a new term - wickedly sick.

Cheers

Bennie

woody.t · Post by **woody.t** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:32 pm

i've seen a few write ups on the "FRANKENMOTOR" on US sites and they seem to be highly recommended.. if i remember rightly you have to drill a hole in the head gasket for one cooling port and other then that its a bolt up affair.. dont quote me on it though

+1 franken for me .. for no other reason then i would like to see someone in australia do it.

mud_king91 · Post by **mud_king91** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:04 pm

im sticken to frankenmotor one guy suggests a 51MLS head gasket whatever that is haha something to do with cylinders sticking out of the block

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:31 pm

RSR 555 wrote:Both engines you have are SOHC so no real advanges but to save buying lots of gaskets

Well bugger me - all these years and I always assumed EJ22 was DOHC

And yes I can tell the difference but I've never actually had anything to do with them since I only ever played with turbo motors. And the one I have I literally pulled it out of the wreck I bouhgt and threw it in the back corner of the shed without paying it any attention. I had to go out and have a look at it to double check !!

Car will be built simply to sell it. Would think with an EJ25, bare shell rebuild, Liberty underpinnings etc it would have to be worth $8k ??

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:30 am

Only the mighty 22B had the DOHC EJ22 all the rest were SOHC but there has been a lot of mix/match engines being built out there.

I think a clean Brumby with an EJ in it would probably get 8k to the right buyer but that seems a lot of work to go through just to sell it.