autoclutch in process of moving premices

woody.t · Post by **woody.t** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:43 pm

anyone know of any good alternatives to get a ea82 clutch adjusted for the ej22?

cheers

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:44 pm

Heavy Duty R1142N kit from Clutch Industries

AndrewT · Post by **AndrewT** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:51 pm

what's the clamping pressure on those bad boys?

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:59 pm

Not 100% sure of the clamping pressure but suits an EJ25 without any probs.. also not strong enough to break gearboxes cause like you know, it's cheaper to replace clutches than gearboxes

stewbaru · Post by **stewbaru** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:10 pm

Hey Paul, with the 1142 clutch, because its a liberty clutch kit does the clutch cover fit the l series flywheel? and do the splines on the disc match up to the box?

Cheers,
Nick

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:58 am

stewbaru wrote:Hey Paul, with the 1142 clutch, because its a liberty clutch kit does the clutch cover fit the l series flywheel? and do the splines on the disc match up to the box?

Cheers,
Nick

Oh sorry Nick.. you're correct it asking me about that as this 1142 won't work on the EA flywheel (sorry) You'll need the Clutch Industries RPM397N kit

guyph_01 · Post by **guyph_01** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:47 pm

I used the Clutch Industries RPM397N kit on my L series BUT both the white and my bro's red brumby got the clutch from scott. when comparing I must say that mine slips a lot more under load, (e.g pulling a trailer with a Liberty on it or pulling a wreak upside down to remove the drive train or when seriously bogged in the sand= bad clutch smell) And noticed that the brumby's don't when (pulling a wreak upside down to remove the drive train or when seriously bogged, Then never pulled a trailer with a lib:p)
Ohhhh and I shattered the clutch disk from that kit:D
Maybe its just my 'ken block' driving style, Lol hahahahaha

And with my new engine i'd rather get him to make a custom one:)
Is he just moving or closing down:s?

stewbaru · Post by **stewbaru** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:33 pm

RSR 555 wrote:Oh sorry Nick.. you're correct it asking me about that as this 1142 won't work on the EA flywheel (sorry) You'll need the Clutch Industries RPM397N kit

Haha no worries mate

guyph_01 wrote:I used the Clutch Industries RPM397N kit on my L series BUT both the white and my bro's red brumby got the clutch from scott. when comparing I must say that mine slips a lot more under load, (e.g pulling a trailer with a Liberty on it or pulling a wreak upside down to remove the drive train or when seriously bogged in the sand= bad clutch smell) And noticed that the brumby's don't when (pulling a wreak upside down to remove the drive train or when seriously bogged, Then never pulled a trailer with a lib:p)
Ohhhh and I shattered the clutch disk from that kit:D
Maybe its just my 'ken block' driving style, Lol hahahahaha

And with my new engine i'd rather get him to make a custom one:)
Is he just moving or closing down:s?

It just said autoclutch is moving premises and there was a phone number under it i think, but in my dissapointment i didnt stop to get it haha.

Hmmm yeah i was pretty set on the custom job but just want to get the conversion done, what did the clutch industries one cost you? if you dont mind me asking.

Does anyone know if there is anywhere else that will do the custom job?

AndrewT · Post by **AndrewT** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:43 pm

Yeah I think alot of it comes down to driving style. I'm sure an off-the-shelf product ("heavy duty" - I think they are maybe 1000pounds? Not sure) could be made to last, but I think to get the actual clamping pressure to ensure less slipping under heavy load, when a torque-meister EJ is involved, you can only really go custom springs and spring angle with a place like Autoclutch. These setups still have plenty of give as they still use a totally standard organic clutch disc (nothing like a brass button or puck clutch!) so no problem with worrying about smashing the gearbox really - although once again, with the right driving style I suppose anything is possible!
All comes down to mechanical sympathy really - if you drive an L series you need it - there is always a massive weak point, usually more than one haha.
Unfortunately I have only experience with getting Autoclutch to make these, but I'm sure a quick ring-around might reveal other places that can do this, although I'm lead to beleive Autoclutch are the gurus when it comes to this in WA.

I *think* these are the clamping pressures to use;
~1700pounds for EJ22
~2200pounds for EJ20turbo (but really you should be running a turbo box with stock pull clutch for this!)
Best to ask Autoclutch though.
I ran a 2200pound Autoclutch job behind an EJ20turbo in my L series with an AWD gearbox and that clutch withstood an absolute bollocking. Boggy as hell sand on boost and it never slipped. I did have it smoking once but that was due to me slipping it on purpose with the pedal while I drove out of the powerlines track at as slower speed as possible with a busted ball joint.

Post by **Alex** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:58 pm

i ran even more than 2200pounds on my ej20turbo, i think it was closer to 3000pounds. I will post up pics when i get a chance.

This was a HD aftermarket l-series pressure plate modded with a double layer of fingers and a custom made beafier HD organic plate.

never slipped on ej20turbo running 17psi.

all done by autoclutch in ozzie park.

alex

Post by **Alex** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:01 pm

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:09 pm

Ok.. I spoke with Scott (AutoClutch) today and he is just moving all his stuff to his home.. which I'm happy about as it's closer to me

He is in the process of getting 3 phase power put to his shed but he can still do any work required.. just call him on 9244 4496 and wait online and it will transfer to his mobile.

d_generate · Post by **d_generate** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:39 pm

When Scott was doing my clutch he showed me the std n/a Liberty clutch was 2,000lb the pre 08 WRX was 2,500 and the post 08 which I have (with a bit of difficulty & a cable) is 3,000lb, I had to get a special ring laser cut to fit the flywheel so I had an extra 5 cut which I gave Scott but you'd need to find the later push hydraulic clutch from a post 08 WRX to get 3,000 clamping pressure.

He showed me a new hd WRX 3 button brass Cusco clutch & that was a laughable 2,200lb

When fitting mine we tried everything to get the hydraulic slave to work but couldn't get the throw right so ended up giving up & throwing the old cable clutch in & fingers crossed it's great so far.

Must admit it still got a bit stinky up a Two Rocks the other week but the car was well stuck & really only got a small whiff.

guyph_01 · Post by **guyph_01** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:51 pm

So Tom, is making the custom clutch for the cable style boxes easier that the hydro stuff??? I'll have to read that again.

I think i paid around 350 for my HD cluch but then i didn't know all the cheap connections to get parts from:D

AndrewT · Post by **AndrewT** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:53 pm

No WRX's have Push clutches (to my knowledge). Pretty sure all Turbo EJ Subaru's are Pull setups which work quite differently so aren't really applicable in this particular thread.

Also remember that Hydraulic vs Cable is to do with how the clutch pedal is connected and really has nothing to do with the clutch itself.

- Push type, operated with a cable (MY, L series, Early N/A Liberty - maybe some n/a imprezas, not sure on that one)
- Push type, operated with a Hydraulic master and slave cylinder (Some models of Outback and Forester, maybe more not sure)
- Pull type, operated with a Hydraulic master and slave cylinder (WRX's, RS Turbo Liberty/Legacy, GTB etc - EJ turbo's basically)

guyph_01 · Post by **guyph_01** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:16 pm

WEll all i want to figure out is Would a cable or hydro system easier to fit on my vortex? I've got a single range AWD cable push type box at the moment and the above answer will determine if i sell it or hold on to it.

I guess being a vortex its got the same firewall as an l. Alex, did you have cable or hydrolic system on yours?
So cable or hydro system????

stewbaru · Post by **stewbaru** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:16 pm

RSR 555 wrote:Ok.. I spoke with Scott (AutoClutch) today and he is just moving all his stuff to his home.. which I'm happy about as it's closer to me

He is in the process of getting 3 phase power put to his shed but he can still do any work required.. just call him on 9244 4496 and wait online and it will transfer to his mobile.

Awesome thanks for that paul. Hopefully closer to me aswell, osborne park was a bit of a trek to find he was moving haha

AndrewT · Post by **AndrewT** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:29 pm

Alex always had a standard EA82 gearbox in his car, with the standard cable on it.

Is the gearbox you are intending to put in the Vortex operated with a clutch cable? If it is then you have to use a clutch cable with it, which will be piss easy of course (because your vortex is setup for cable already), especially if it's an EA82 gearbox - then of course everything will just bolt straight in. If it's an EJ cable gearbox then I guess the cable would need to be adapted to work with the L series clutch pedal but shouldn't be too hard.

If it's operated with a hydraulic system then that's not too much of a biggy either. I've fitted hydraulic clutch master cylinders to two L series successfully (one was a push system, one was a pull - both just as easy as each other). It's not that hard. Master cylinder mounts through the hole in the firewall your speedo cable currently goes through (speedo cable needs to relocate to another hole lower down). An extra hole for one of the bolts needs to be drilled. A bracket needs to be either bolted or welded to your standard clutch pedal to offset it approx 1 inch to the left with a hole drilled in it. Allignment is very important, it has to be just right, but if done correctly it works great.

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:25 am

stewbaru wrote:Awesome thanks for that paul. Hopefully closer to me aswell, osborne park was a bit of a trek to find he was moving haha

LOL.. but yep. Scott lives in Byford

guyph_01 · Post by **guyph_01** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:55 am

AndrewT wrote:Alex always had a standard EA82 gearbox in his car, with the standard cable on it.

Ahhhhh true, Lol, thats the box that i've got in my car and i blew up:D

Think i'll go with a ej box, unless i can find a AWD single range EA box