swapping US 5MT for Aussie D/R 5MT

[suparu]

I've got a link http://www.ausubaru.com.au/showthread.php?t=16613 with some questions on Australian transmissions.
I want to swap my USA 5MT (95 legacy 2.2 NA) for a D/R 5MT with a usable low gear (preferrable 1.59:1 but 1.44:1 would be cool too) and preferably 4.11 final drive.

As such, I'm looking for a good, used Forester transmission, e.g from a wrecked rig that someone is parting out.

Thanks!
-mark-

[suparu]

Bumping for my interest in an Australian forester gear box.

[suparu]

I have a RUNNING gen 1 EA71 1980 BRAT with an extra motor and some parts (like a windshield and Subaru factory winch-mount tube bumper) to TRADE for a good used gen 1 forester dual range AWD Aussie gear box. . .

[H-top]

Importer or OZ wrecker may be your
best bet mate

[suparu]

Importer or OZ wrecker may be your
best bet mate

Thanks, will look into it..

[suparu]

Might this do the trick? Anyone know the low range gearing for 4.44 FD foresters?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... K:MEWAX:IT

I think FXT manuals have the 1.44:1 low I'm looking for, I just don't know if they're 4.44 or 4.11 FD..

thanks

[suparu]

Importer or OZ wrecker may be your
best bet mate

Yeah, I haven't even tried to broach the idea of an importer. I just don't roll in those circles
Do you have a link to "OZ wrecker", or do you just mean checking with any Australian junk yard? I do have a couple inquiries to AU junk yards (from liks I got from another Subaru thread)

I'll try a friend of a friend who does car work, he may know those circles..

cheers,
-mark-

[pezimm]

I think FXT manuals have the 1.44:1 low I'm looking for, I just don't know if they're 4.44 or 4.11 FD..

Suparu,

I'm pretty sure the Forester XT manuals don't have low range here in Oz - I believe Subaru thinks the low end torque is sufficient just with normal gearing. I can sort of vouch for that since I never had any problems with low-rev torque (mind you I drive and auto).

Not quite sure on this, but on the diff ratio I seem to recall the low range manual gearbox is 4.44 and everything else is 4.11. I might double check this tonight.

Hope this helps,
Pedro.

[AlpineRaven]

I can give you one lead - http://www.mordyauto.com.au/ They do have forester boxes there.
they will be able to help you with this, please inform this that "Tristan" gave me this then they know who gave it to you.
Cheers
AP

[suparu]

I can give you one lead - http://www.mordyauto.com.au/ They do have forester boxes there.
they will be able to help you with this, please inform this that "Tristan" gave me this then they know who gave it to you.
Cheers
AP

Hey thanks AP/AlpineRaven!!
Cool lead, and be assured Tristan will be credited if I work with these folks!





In other news, I've found some tech info (subaru of Australia, Forester Technical Description and 04 XT Technical Description Supplemental) at subaruforester.org that gives AUS 03,04 and 04XT fozzy gearbox info (along with everything else, it is the Forester tech flier essentially).

It looks like 03-04 4EAT had a 4.44 FD and 4.11 FD in the 5MT while the 04XT had 4.44 FD in the 5MT but NO low gear. All 03 and 04 5MTs with 4.11 FD had a 1.196 reduction low gear...
Lemme see if this works: Forester XT MY04 Technical Description.pdf

**EDIT** Darn, that link didn't work... I wish I'd copied the subaruforester.org link for the thread where it came from. . .

otherwise here's the gearing info from the tech desriptions. . .
03 FX:
TRANSMISSION
Type Automatic Manual
Gear ratio 1st 2.785 3.454
Gear ratio 2nd 1.545 2.062
Gear ratio 3rd 1.000 1.448
Gear ratio 4th 0.694 1.088
Gear ratio 5th 0.78
Gear ratio Rev 2.272 3.333
Final Drive axle ratio 4.444 4.111
High/Low ratio 1.196

2004 Subaru Forester 2.5X and XS 2.5 FXT:
Type Manual Manual
Gear ratio 1st 3.454 3.454
Gear ratio 2nd 2.062 1.947
Gear ratio 3rd 1.448 1.366
Gear ratio 4th 1.088 0.972
Gear ratio 5th 0.78 0.738
Gear ratio Rev 3.333 3.333
Axle ratio 4.111 4.444
High/Low ratio 1.196 -




My 95 legacy 5MT is geared as such:
1st 3.545
2nd 2.111
3rd 1.448
4th 1.088
5th 0.78
reverse 3.416
axle ratio 3.9
with a Viscous (4kgf) center diff and an open front diff

So i geuss the 03-04 AUS forester X and XS 5MT is geared a touch shorter than my 95 legacy, and with a shorter final drive (4.11 vs. 3.90).
The low gear sux (1.196:1), but i don't even have that. So I could do AlpineRaven's EA82 low gear swap to get a 1.59:1 low and have a 4.11 FD forester box, with a bit shorter gears than i have now, which would give me a more torque-y driving experience which would be a touch quicker off the line, higher revving at highway speed, better towing ability and FUN off-road!!

Am I reading those numbers about right?


right??

[suparu]

Here is the link for AUS fozzy 03-04 +04XT and lots of USA fozzy tech data:

AUS tech data:
http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin ... 4-a-34149/

This link gives similar (*caveat* info on cars101 is not official Subaru of America) tech data for USDM foresters:
http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin ... post435337

[TOONGA]

When I go to that site I get the normal vBulletin® ramble

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if you right click on the link in the option box a copy url option should become available for the link then just paste it in a post



TOONGA

[RSR 555]

Hey Mark.. I'm not 100% sure on the later boxes but the early Forester boxes are Dual Range 4.111 final drive which is still a great box if you're going to put behind a 95 Legacy and with AP's very nice thread, you can see how to put the EA Dual Range gearset in giving you a great gearbox. I'm going to do this conversion to my L.Series Offroader but I'm using one of your RXII gearboxes giving me the capability to lock the AWD diff.

[pezimm]

Not quite sure on this, but on the diff ratio I seem to recall the low range manual gearbox is 4.44 and everything else is 4.11. I might double check this tonight.

Ok, took me a little while to check, but here we go:

Auto transmission
- Non-turbo: 4.444 (40/9)
- Turbo: 4.111 (37/9)

Manual transmission
- Non-turbo: 4.111
- Turbo: 4.444

Pedro.

[suparu]

Thanks TOONGA, I'll work on it... That thread has the pdfs as attached, then when you click them it opens a new acrobat reader window...

here is for the AUS 03-04 FX/FXS
http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin ... iption.pdf

and this for AUS 04 FXT
http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin ... iption.pdf

When I go to that site I get the normal vBulletin® ramble




if you right click on the link in the option box a copy url option should become available for the link then just paste it in a post
TOONGA

[suparu]

Hey RSR 555,

Seems like 97-98 FOZ 5MT boxes are 4.11 FD with 1.447:1 low, 4-bolt bell housing, 99-02? are as 97-98, but went to 8-bolt bell housing. I think later foz boxes (03-08?) kept the 4.11 FD but went to the 1.96:1 low.

It seems for my purposes going with the stock foz box, any first gen, would be great... Down the road, if i want more low, i could do the EA low gear swap, but a 45% low reduction is a LOT better than the NO low I currently have!
For now, I think I'm looking for a gen 1 Forester 5MT. If I end up getting a 99-02, I'll fill the extra holes and call it good, enjoyig the lower mileage/KMage, newer box. If i go with a 97-98, it'll be ALL bolt-on bolt up, but maybe higher mileage/KMage. But even a 97 is newer than my engine


Thanks for the tips and ideas. I certainly like your project, a locking center diff would be ideal for wheeling an AWD!! I look forward to your build thread and reports of its performance!

cheers,
-mark-

Hey Mark.. I'm not 100% sure on the later boxes but the early Forester boxes are Dual Range 4.111 final drive which is still a great box if you're going to put behind a 95 Legacy and with AP's very nice thread, you can see how to put the EA Dual Range gearset in giving you a great gearbox. I'm going to do this conversion to my L.Series Offroader but I'm using one of your RXII gearboxes giving me the capability to lock the AWD diff.