Power/Torque figures EA82t and EJ22

YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:57 am

G'day,

I'm after the power/torque figures for the EA82 turbo and the EJ22 if anyone has them available.

Cheers

Bennie

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:07 am

talking to the authorities?

Well, then we must use the lower Australian model EA82T figures

HP max output 113 PS @ 4800rpm PS is Japanese for HP
Torque max output 181 Nm @ 2800 or 134 ft/lbs

the EJ22 figures I seen in here were much the same, tried searching three years back?

red_rocket · Post by **red_rocket** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:18 pm

try redbook El_Freddo, i know it can be a tad iffy but search an older lib and it should come up. like 115kw or something

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:45 pm

The EJ22 had power of 130hp at 6000rpm and peak torque of 189 Nm at 4800 rpm

The torque fiqures are very close, but the big difference is in the delivery, the EA82T reaches peak torque 2000rpm lower than the EJ22

phillatdarwin · Post by **phillatdarwin** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:29 pm

so dose that mean that a ea82t is better ?

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:39 am

4800 ! seems a bit high for a torque reading doesn't it?

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:44 am

phillatdarwin wrote:so dose that mean that a ea82t is better ?

For general driving where you change into the next gear at 4000rpm, yes, but for accelerating, the EJ22 is better because its torque curve lasts longer so you can wind each gear out for longer, which makes better use of the torque multiplication of the lower gears

steptoe wrote:4800 ! seems a bit high for a torque reading doesn't it?

Not if peak power occurs at 6000rpm

Phizinza · Post by **Phizinza** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:33 pm

phillatdarwin wrote:so dose that mean that a ea82t is better ?

Only if you like your power above 2200rpm and in short rpm range....

EJ22 has much sane'r torque curve. And a lot more torque between idle and when boost winds up full on the 82t.

YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:45 pm

Thanks guys. I since pulled my head in after searcing uselessly on google for some figures - I ended up back at this thread!

So I thought I'd head out to good old (and never used by me) Wikipedia. This is what it told me:

EJ221 Naturally Aspirated
Horsepower: 135 PS (99 kW; 133 bhp) @ 5800 rpm
Torque: 186.3 Nm (137 lbft) @ 4800 rpm
EJ222 Naturally Aspirated
Horsepower: 142 bhp (106 kW; 144 PS) @ 5600 rpm
Torque: 149 lbft (202 Nm) @ 3600 rpm

EA82 Turbo
Horsepower:
111 bhp (83 kW; 113 PS) @ 5200 RPM (1985-1986)
115 bhp (86 kW; 117 PS) @ 5200 RPM (1987-1990)
Torque: 134 lbft (182 Nm) @ 2800 RPM

So how do I tell if I've got an EJ221 or an EJ222? Sounds confusing to me as I've never heard of these variations...

Cheers

Bennie

GOD · Post by **GOD** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:16 pm

Haven't come across those EJ221/222 names before, but I'm fairly sure the more powerful one is the 1997-onwards high compression version. BTW Redbook has slightly different numbers, so Wikipedia is probably American. Got any old car mags with specs in the back?

Is this thread because you're looking at % power increases for your engineering approval? The best comparison you can make is probably against a MPFI EA82, since 82Ts weren't available in your model (L not Leone) and year, as you might have mentioned previously.

Dane.

YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:31 pm

GOD wrote:Is this thread because you're looking at % power increases for your engineering approval? The best comparison you can make is probably against a MPFI EA82, since 82Ts weren't available in your model (L not Leone) and year, as you might have mentioned previously.

Yeah dane, I'm looking at this for avoiding paying for the engineering of the EJ. I realise the turbo EA didn't come in the wagon but I reckon I could get around that cos it came in the sedan which is the same vehicle in a slightly different variation.

What bugs me is that everyone I've spoken to is keen to sign off on the motor for $800 to $1000, but are not willing to even look at a modest 3 inch lift or 27 inch tyres. The sting with me is that with the VSI-8 regulation guidelines the engine conversions section is a pretty grey area, where as the section on lift and wheel diametres states a set lift according to suspension travel etc and WD increase of 15mm allowed without approval - if the engineers can't sign off on the lift and wheel diametre increases that I'm looking at (without even talking to me about it or the other options to chase) what is the point of having them in the first place?

I don't think a 3 inch lift and 27 inch tyres to go with an EJ22 conversion is too much to ask for from an engineering point of view - if its an issue of brakes I'd be seriously looking at a crossbred kit to get it done, just means more of the fun stuff.

Bloody red tape! End rant (not aimed at you dane!)

Cheers

Bennie

GOD · Post by **GOD** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:58 am

Bloody red tape indeed - they sure make it difficult.

Can you get a 2" lift and slightly smaller tyres approved? If it's any consolation, such combinations can look good:

2" lift and 185R14s. The roof of the Falcon is about level with the roof of a stock L on 13s.

No lift and 185/65R14 tyres, i.e. within a bee's dick of your 15mm allowance:

2" lift, unknown road tyres around 185/70R14:

No lift and 185R14s:

But if you really feel the need for that extra inch, I won't try and talk you out of it

Dane.

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:10 am

You won't like this but I'm standing with the RTA or whatever regulating body your state has .

As previously mentioned a Manufacturer designs certain parameters into a car and then it has to meet a state or countries design rules or it doesn't get compliance and can't be legally sold .

You cannot simply raise a vehicle by any means fair or foul and bolt larger heavier wheels to it , too many of the dynamics change and it won't then meet the ADR's .

You may think that this is a bit harsh but it's our standards that are are keeping sub standard vehicles from the land of we'll mass produce and copy anything we like off our roads in droves - so far .

To have any hope of getting honest legal certification I think you need to look at importing XT6 bits or fitting the CrossBred kit , you can argue that the XT6 was built by Subaru on the "L" production lines which they were and were a little larger and heavier and used 14" wheels .

At the end of the day I think you're beating your head against a brick wall and for the time effort and money involved you are better off with a Liberty or Forrester etc . They get the bigger engine and hardier suspension/brakes bigger wheels std . Some even had a factory lift kit which are the only ones I'd use anyway .

Truthfully I think the only thing thats better about a L Series than the EJ powered cars is the size and weight aspect , if that doesn't worry you then go with the better factory engineering because you can't re create if for anything like the same money in a L Series .

Your call , cheers A .