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Post by Outback bloke » Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:22 pm

I wish Jim would stop talking so much. Member since June 09 and he has made 2 posts. Finke is not far away now fellas. I think it is going to be a good year. Hunter look out.

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Post by brumbyrunner » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:05 am

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Post by brumbyrunner » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:17 am

You can see how much higher the rear guard is cut out now compared to when I did it the first time.

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Post by stamp_licker » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:49 pm

That does look good.Gascoyne would be a good challenge for the brumby.
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Post by maxxair » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:11 pm

Yeaa, looking smoking. rear suspension looks good too. have you tested it out yet???


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Post by riksta » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:25 pm

Looking good, job well done. Was just thinking about your dash. are you going to paint the top black at all?
Was thinking that you will be racing out in the sunlight most of the time and the glare off the alloy mite make it hard to see were you are going. just a thourt I had.

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Post by Outback bloke » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:55 pm

I was thinking the same thing. No doubt it will get a covering of some sort of colour.

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Post by brumbyrunner » Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:10 pm

I'm undecided about the colour. The dash could probably handle some paint as well.
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Post by vincentvega » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:28 pm

flat black I reckon. it will get a bit hot in the sun but glare is your enemy..
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Post by FROG » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:38 pm

"Territory bull dust red" I reckon :D
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Post by Outback bloke » Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:05 pm

Get it dirty and then clear coat it you reckon?

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Post by FROG » Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:32 pm

:D thats the go ..... won't ever need cleaning and would go so well with the gold..... I loooove the gold :mrgreen:
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Post by brumbyrunner » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:45 am

Found some cool pics on Randal Kilners website http://www.dirtcomp.com.au

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Post by brumbyrunner » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:59 am

Anyone else following Hyden?
Rob Chapman just prologued a third of a second faster than Hunter.
Young Chapman is fastest in Class 7 and also beat all the other class 8s except those two.
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Post by maxxair » Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:56 am

Dirt comp!!! Ftw>
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Post by brumbyrunner » Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:01 pm

Rob Chapman has won Class 8 in front of Colin Hunter and Russel Cullen (who should finish shortly).
Clayton has taken out Class 7, a full hour in front of second place.

Shoulda been there boys. Shoulda been there.
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Post by Outback bloke » Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:08 pm

To true. Did Rob have a pearler of a race or was colin off the pace for some reason?

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Post by brumbyrunner » Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:37 pm

I don't know yet but it looks like they were both going pretty hard.
It was a close finish with just under 6 minutes separating them after 5 hours racing.
Rob was 24th outright with Colin 27th and Clayton 31st.

Fair few retirements too.
71 posted times out of 85 starters, so there were 4 that didn't even start, and I count 45 that completed the whole course.

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Post by Outback bloke » Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:52 pm

Mid board hubs and new front lower a-arm, engine plate, dry sump, programmable ecu, bigger IC and it will be your name in that #1 spot at Hyden

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Post by brumbyrunner » Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:40 pm

Not a bad way to spend 30 grand.....
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Post by vincentvega » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:44 am

those are some great photos from ddirtcomp mate. you must be happy with that!

hyden will still be there next year.
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Post by brumbyrunner » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:09 pm

I was never happy with the way I mounted the dust lights. They were just knocked up at the last minute and hose clamped to the roll bar. Did the job but it's been bugging me for a while so I came up with this.
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Post by riksta » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:56 pm

hay that looks real neat, good looks and all, well done I like it.

Are you repainting the rollcage or just the parts that need it.

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Post by brumbyrunner » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:51 pm

See how we go for time Rik, I'd like to colour code the outside section of the rollcage to blend it in with the car but I'd also like to re-paint the whole car. So much to do so little time.
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Post by Dane » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:13 am

IMHO, I like the black contrast of the cage, but it's your car and it always looks the goods.

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Post by riksta » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:42 pm

That would real nice and neat to have the rollcage colour coded with the car, class is the word that come to mind.

Hope you get all the things done that you need to have done for the next race, good luck and go and kick some Chapmen butt.

It would nice to see a Brumby at the top of the time sheets.

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Post by brumbyrunner » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:49 pm

Finally got around to rebuilding the rear shock towers this afternoon. I've been putting the job off because I'm planning to get myself a Tig but I'm running out of time so had to mig it all again. Maybe next time?
It's still a time consuming job when you have to notch the pipe by hand and your bender won't work on tight radius bends. Next racecar I build will be in a dedicated shed with motorsport quality bender & notcher. Oh and a guillo and a press brake and and .....

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Post by brumbyrunner » Sun May 02, 2010 10:53 am

Definitely need to step up to a tig (or employ a fabricator with one).

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Post by T'subaru » Sun May 02, 2010 11:32 am

brumbyrunner wrote:Definitely need to step up to a tig (or employ a fabricator with one

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Dude, it looks good from my house! :)
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Post by brumbyrunner » Tue May 04, 2010 10:53 pm

T'subaru wrote:Dude, it looks good from my house! :)
Thanks dude. I'm in a sport where the norm is unpainted tig welds so everything's on display. But I'm not the only farmer with a mig either.



The gold rollcage does look a bit :shock:

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Post by brumbyrunner » Tue May 04, 2010 11:10 pm

With the shock mounts finished I cycled the shocks to check the CV travel. It's tight but I think they'll survive.
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Post by Point » Wed May 05, 2010 8:28 am

looking good! that's alot of travel for those poor CVs. does the diff touch the ground when it's fully compressed?
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Post by Outback bloke » Wed May 05, 2010 8:34 am

I kind of like the gold on the bars.

Are you using the MTR's this year or have you decided on some thing else?

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Post by Dane » Wed May 05, 2010 9:43 am

I stand corrected, gold looks good too.

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Post by brumbyrunner » Wed May 05, 2010 2:51 pm

Point wrote:looking good! that's alot of travel for those poor CVs. does the diff touch the ground when it's fully compressed?
Well it would depend on the tyre size but with 30"s it gets down to 3" at full bump.
Outback bloke wrote:I kind of like the gold on the bars.

Are you using the MTR's this year or have you decided on some thing else?
The only problem with the MTRs is that 3 of them are getting on a bit. We replaced 2 last May so they're only 1 year old but the others must be pushing 4.
I'd like to run 16" tyres but there's no point buying new rims if we're changing stud pattern.
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Post by riksta » Wed May 05, 2010 8:15 pm

Looking real smart in the gold Stuart, that gold rollcage looks even better then I thought it would.
I like what you have done with the rear, How did you go with the front X member? and will it be as strong as the rear?

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Post by brumbyrunner » Wed May 05, 2010 9:26 pm

I built a stronger engine crossmember after Finke last year when the old one cracked up.

I'll eventually replace that with a new fabricated one that'll house a Howe steering rack and new, longer, wider track lower control arms that'll have full movement without binding, like the radius rod setup has now.
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Post by brumbyrunner » Wed May 05, 2010 10:13 pm

Does anyone else have trouble seeing the second pic?
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Post by 2coupedup » Thu May 06, 2010 8:43 am

2nd pic is fine mate, not just talkin bout seeing it but also what i am seeing... would love that sort of travel without my crappy rear camber issues....

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Post by brumbyrunner » Thu May 06, 2010 11:07 am

That's strange. All I see is a grey square and the code is fine. :?:

To get that much travel without binding you have to ditch the factory camber change rear end. It's entirely possible to build a new camber change design that allows full suspension travel without binding but mine is fixed. It maintains about 3 degrees negative camber throughout the 14" of wheel travel.
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Post by riksta » Thu May 06, 2010 10:32 pm

what I see in the second pic, (apart from the suspension travel) is how stiff that rollcage has made the Brumby, one stand on one side only. I take it that is no flex at all in the rear?

You have a great job on the whole car and it has been great to see how the car has come from were it was to were it is now, Great job Stuart.

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Post by 2coupedup » Fri May 07, 2010 9:32 am

mmmmmmm 14inches... (never ever thought i would hear myself say that lol)
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Post by brumbyrunner » Sun May 23, 2010 9:01 pm

riksta wrote:what I see in the second pic, (apart from the suspension travel) is how stiff that rollcage has made the Brumby, one stand on one side only. I take it that is no flex at all in the rear?

You have a great job on the whole car and it has been great to see how the car has come from were it was to were it is now, Great job Stuart.

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Thanks Riksta. The whole car is very rigid to stop it from breaking up. The front needs more work but yes, the rear is pretty good.

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I had a few hours to work on the car this arvo but I'm running out of time to get many more improvements done as I'd like before Finke. The new dash and re-wiring job was pretty massive and took up most of our "car time" during the wet season, but it's a good job done and we learnt a lot. If you can remember the spare tyre rack, it was a big solid heavy thing that I built strong to withstand a rear shunt without tearing out of the car. I don't think I've weakened it at all but I've managed to carve a full 1.5kg of steel out of the thing. I'll try to get some pics. Got to love a good quality holesaw (if you don't have a plasma cutter).

More exciting news-: I've been talking to a buggy manufacturer about either modifying the Brumby or starting again with a full tube frame. Either way we'll be widening the track by over a foot each side to get some serious buggy style wheel travel. At the moment we've only got about a 52" track and we need to be aiming for a minimum of 82". I just don't have the time to do it properly anymore, as much as I'd like to, so paying a professional will get it done faster.
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Post by T'subaru » Mon May 24, 2010 3:00 am

Wow Stuart, it sounds like your gunning to have the "Deadliest Brumby" in both hemispheres!
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Post by vincentvega » Mon May 24, 2010 10:10 am

brumbyrunner wrote: More exciting news-: I've been talking to a buggy manufacturer about either modifying the Brumby or starting again with a full tube frame. Either way we'll be widening the track by over a foot each side to get some serious buggy style wheel travel. At the moment we've only got about a 52" track and we need to be aiming for a minimum of 82". I just don't have the time to do it properly anymore, as much as I'd like to, so paying a professional will get it done faster.
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Post by brumbyrunner » Thu May 27, 2010 11:11 pm

The side trim is on. Just the serious stuff to do now.
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Post by brumbyrunner » Thu May 27, 2010 11:15 pm

Spare tyre rack on a diet.
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Post by brumbyrunner » Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:20 pm

Heading off for Finke tomorrow so I thought I'd share a few pics.

We beefed up the radius rod and lower control arm by welding them together and adding a triangle gusset. I've been worried about the 2 bolts failing as they kept working loose.
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Post by brumbyrunner » Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:29 pm

I wanted to stop the gearbox from jumping around as I think the movement might have contributed to our gearbox problems at Gundy. This is the new bush made from an L series trailing arm bush just like the engine mounts.
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For the gearbox side I used the pressed factory mount with the rubber cleaned off.
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Post by Outback bloke » Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:19 am

See ya in a few days Mate. It is friggen cold here now, I hate to think what it is going to be like out there.

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Post by riksta » Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:37 am

looking good mate, I hope all your good work gets you to the finish line farster and keeps the car on the track.

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Post by vincentvega » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:13 am

good luck mate! i hope you have a great run this year. Sorry I wont be there but i will be keeping a close eye on the race. expect a few phone calls brett..

very nice work on the gearbox crossmember!
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Post by T'subaru » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:27 am

Best of luck this season Stuart...I have gone thru your build thread several times from start to finish, why I dont have one of my own yet is beyond me
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Post by Captain Obvious » Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:47 pm

good luck guys!!! hope all this hard work pays off and you blitz you class!!!!!
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Post by Matt » Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:47 pm

Hope it gos well mate, and you make down to Finke and Back in one piece in awesome time!
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Post by brumbyrunner » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:14 am

As Brett posted in the Finke thread after this years race, we had a trailing arm failure at the 65km mark but the fatigue cracks might have been there for a while getting gradually worse. I was getting some strange measurements doing the rear wheel alignment before Finke, with the toe changing on the passenger side after a test run but then it settled down and didn't change any further. We checked the trailing arm and the mounts but couldn't find anything wrong. I probably spent more time inspecting the fab work I'd done, rather than expecting factory bits to break, but break they did. The drivers side let go first but the pass. side wouldn't have been far behind it.

These pics shows where the drivers side was repaired so we could drive the car off the track and onto the truck.
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Post by tex » Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:12 pm

You do it hard! nice to see the cross bred kit held up to the endurance testing, what did you end up with in relation to rear suspension?
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Post by T'subaru » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:41 pm

Its good to see you back Stuart :)
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Post by brumbyrunner » Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:30 am

tex wrote:You do it hard! nice to see the cross bred kit held up to the endurance testing, what did you end up with in relation to rear suspension?
Crossbred parts are handling the job fine.
What do you want to know about the rear suspension?

Passenger side trailing arm. You can see where the crack starts, runs around the bearing carrier...
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Post by FROG » Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:19 pm

Any news or future plans Stuart, I've been watchin the Dakar
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Post by vincentvega » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:16 pm

yeah any plans for this year boss? I could do with a Finke fix this june..
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Post by brumbyrunner » Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:28 pm

Dunno if you follow the rules for off-road racing, but a couple of years ago CAMS subtlety reworded the regulations regarding the Extreme 4WD class (the old class 8 ).

Basically, you're now allowed to run a rear-mount or mid-mount engine in any 4WD regardless of how it was originally designed and manufactured.

This has made a huge difference to the types of cars people are building for this class.

Current Aust. champion Colin Hunter has had a full tube frame buggy built in the US and will debut it at Hyden at Easter time for the first round of the AORC. It has a mid-mount (in front of the rear axle) turbo V6, IFS, IRS, 37" tyres and similar wheel travel to a buggy. It's wearing fibreglass Dodge Ram panels so it looks like a production 4WD (sort of).

Also debuting at Hyden is a similar buggy built in WA. I must have been following the build for 4 or 5 years now and it's truly a work of art with as many hand-made custom components as Colin's car. It's also independent all round and mid-mount but V8 instead. It's now wearing Chev truck panels to comply with the "looking like a production 4WD" rule too.

Now, not to jinx them, but these new 4WDs are going to be outright contenders for the AORC not just decimate Extreme 4WD class. They've relegated the old 4WDs like Garland's Triton & Chapman's Pajero to the scrap heap. Maybe not straight away, but once they get the new-car bugs sorted out, they'll be the cars to watch.
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Post by riksta » Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:45 pm

so were dose that leave you and your off road racing Brumby?

Will you still race it as it is, or are you going to biuld a new buggy type Brumby to take them on?

I would to see that build.

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Post by brumbyrunner » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:42 pm

I'm going to wait and see Rik.

I've barely touched on what that Brumby is capable of. Every time we go out (after further tweaks) it gets exponentially faster. You just have to watch the in-car footage to see that.

But as anybody running a business will attest, the biggest cost when racing is not the car or the transport or the repairs, it's the time you spend not concentrating on your core business. If I had the time I'd probably race against these guys anyway because I love racing. But with the class 8 shake-up it's easy too just wait and see how it all plays out.

I won't be watching from the sidelines though. I've been offered a co-drive in a Performance 2WD class ute. Jim is the crew-chief so he'll be in the thick of it still. If you're interested I'll post up some info as we go. At this stage well be doing one or two north Qld rounds to get things sorted out before Finke.
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Post by spike » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:26 pm

yeah the rules get a little confusing
hopfully the rules will change again and these buggies will be moved to class 1 where they belong.
im not sure what the corner weights of the your car is so maybe a new engine is in line? a H6 turbo should push the power through and the only thing then that the car doesnt have is rear mounted engine

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Post by brumbyrunner » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:23 pm

You never cease to amaze me Spike, and here you are on my build thread.

I realise you're only a kid and, judging by your inability to successfully grasp the fundamentals of written English, must have had a difficult education. Therefore, I try not to be too critical and take you to task on every utterance because I'm sure you mean well and we all have to start somewhere.

So....what rules are you confused about?
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Post by spike » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:52 pm

yeah englinsh isnt where i excelled, engineering was =)

not really that confused they are open to interpritation and have been interprited lots of ways like the fact i can take a subaru forester for ofroad and bolt a turbo to it but still have it called production, bad example cause the cars came with turbo but somthing like a holden captiva (theyre 4wd NA right?) i can bolt a turbo to one and still have it run in the production class

these rules will either go away or a 3rd class of offroad will be built like extreme, performance and production or somthing. class 1 was and is for the ultimate contenders, it wasnt till 2 years ago that any 4wd in the world won an outright offroad excluding rally raids

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Post by brumbyrunner » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:35 am

No Spike, you cannot bolt a turbo to a non-factory turbo 4WD and compete in Performance 4WD class. It's spelled out very clearly. No interpretation (note spelling) necessary. Are there any other rules that confuse you?

CAMS has already explored the merits of a new "Unlimited" class for these non-car derived 4WDs (and maybe for a Pro-Class buggy with car panels too) but until we get some more contenders it's not viable. Why have a class with 2 or 3 cars at the most? The rule book says you must have at least 6 to define a new class or sub-class.

You could possibly brush up on your knowledge of offroadracing history too. Let me give you an example.
In 1982 (29 years ago) Paul Zacka won the Australian Championship in a 4WD Rodeo, then in 1987 (24 years ago) Les Siviour did it in a Patrol and finally in 1998 (13 years ago) Fabio Zarfati won it in a SWB Pajero.
So you see, racing and winning in a 4WD is hardly a new idea.
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Post by spike » Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:02 pm

brumbyrunner wrote:No Spike, you cannot bolt a turbo to a non-factory turbo 4WD and compete in Performance 4WD class. It's spelled out very clearly
under the 2010 rules the inlet tract was free from the manifold (air flow meter maybe) and from the exhaust ports back was free. thus just randomly hanging a turbo there and feeding it into the manifold is perfectly legal

the cams manual, and all racing manuals are open to interpritaion and not get called cheating
brumbyrunner wrote:Les Siviour did it in a Patrol
forgot that one

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Post by brumbyrunner » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:31 pm

From the CAMS manual SR3.1 (Production 4WD class in the Offroad Specific Regs.).
All modifications are forbidden unless expressly authorised by these Specific Regulations (SR) and where appropriate, the General Regulations (GR).
Which means that unless turbocharging is authorised (and it's not) you can't do it.

It goes further in the last paragraph on the engine (SR 3.1.6) to ensure raising boost pressure is covered but the use of the word "originally" should leave no doubt about non-standard turbo fitment.
If a vehicle is originally fitted with a turbocharger or a supercharger, the induction pressure is free, as are the control devices.
So even after all that do you think these statements allows fitment of a turbo?
the air filter and associated fittings leading to the inlet manifold are free
The exhaust system is free.
Fortunately, if you're ever in doubt or confused again, you can always ask CAMS for a definitive answer on a technical query that may not be covered and get the answer in writing. Be an expensive exercise to build something that you couldn't race.



You also ignored the legendary Zooma Zacka and Fabio Zarfati.
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Post by spike » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:30 pm

[quote="brumbyrunner"]
Fortunately, if you're ever in doubt or confused again, you can always ask CAMS for a definitive answer on a technical query that may not be covered and get the answer in writing. Be an expensive exercise to build something that you couldn't race.
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CORRECT =)
and after reading these rules i put it to one of the highest scrutineers in south australia and got a reply simply saying (unable to quote, have it in my back pages of emails)

good interpritation of the rules and he could not see how it would be illegal, possible imoral and there is a chance you will be done under the bringing the sport into disrepute on which grounds he would personally stand up for me

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Post by brumbyrunner » Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:01 am

Hey, if you can get it scrutineered and log booked then go for it.

If they let you compete, I concede. We need more competitors in class 7.
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Post by damo666 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:37 am

spike wrote: the cams manual, and all racing manuals are open to interpritaion and not get called cheating
Spike, i take it this scritineer person is a friend? Any chance he was just humouring you?

Whilst i have never been involved in offroad 4WD, I've been rallying for 10+ years around the country, and rally scrutineers take the same view as Brumbyrunner - the CAMS manual very simply lists the only modifications that you are allowed to do, not what modifications you are not allowed to do, as many people try to read it (Dont think "it dosent say I cant", think, "does it say I can?").

If it does not say "you are allowed to fit a turbo", you are not allowed to fit a turbo. There is no room for interpretation!!!

The excerpt Brumbyrunner has copied from the CAMS manual very clearly states this - All modifications are forbidden unless expressly authorised by these Specific Regulations.

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Post by Bradenrm » Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:35 pm

Read whole thread. time for sleep. awesome work!

I'm as confused as a fat kid with a salad though, are you still allowed to run the brumby?

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Man this was an awesome read... but Bradenrm, doesn't look like anything has happened with the Brumby since Jan last year.

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Post by FROG » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:34 pm

If todays comedy of errors and bad luck comes to fruition then this thread will hopefully see a revival and I will sleep well tomorrow night :-)
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Post by AshR » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:41 pm

How did they go in Fink?

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Post by thunder039 » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:58 am

Bradenrm wrote:
I'm as confused as a fat kid with a salad though, are you still allowed to run the brumby?
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Post by brumbyrunner » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:56 pm

We prologued 3rd in class running on 2 cylinders. 50th out of 83 nominated. Changed injectors this afternoon and fixed the problem. All set for tomorrow now.
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Post by El_Freddo » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:49 pm

brumbyrunner wrote:We prologued 3rd in class running on 2 cylinders. 50th out of 83 nominated. Changed injectors this afternoon and fixed the problem. All set for tomorrow now.
Best of luck tomorrow! Looking forward to some pics!

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Post by INEEDABEER » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:39 pm

brumbyrunner wrote:We prologued 3rd in class running on 2 cylinders. 50th out of 83 nominated. Changed injectors this afternoon and fixed the problem. All set for tomorrow now.
40th place by the results I just looked at.
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INEEDABEER wrote:40th place by the results I just looked at.
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Post by AshR » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:03 pm

This is looking good for the crazy brumby :D

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Post by brumbyrunner » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:33 pm

I guess it's about time to revive this thread and continue on with the build. The anticipated ruin of Extreme 4WD (the old class 8 ) hasn't happened.
In fact, there are quite a few front-engined cars being built now that will certainly keep this class exciting into the future.

Last year I decided to step away from the gold Brumby for 12 months and help out a mate who was getting back into the drivers seat after a 20 year absence. He had been crewing for me for the last 10 years and, if you've followed this thread's build photos, owns the engineering workshop where a lot of the work was done. The wheel arches, tyre carrier and sump guard were all built there by him and I and that beautiful metallic paint was sprayed in his paint booth.

So early in 2010 he must have decided that I couldn't have all the fun and imported a Ford Ranger from the US. Image

It had done a few seasons over there and was basically ready to race.
It slotted straight into our Performance 2WD class (the old class 5) so with a fresh coat of Landcruiser Pewter we were off. Image

Like me, Dan runs his own business, employs a bunch of people and has a young family so it's difficult to find time to get away. We ended up getting to 3 races: Round 1 of the North QLD c'ship at Charters Towers, Finke and Gundy. Charters Towers was so wet and slippery that they cancelled half of it but we still won our class. We had a great run at Finke, only replacing a uni-joint at the overnight stop and then finishing 3rd in class.
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Gundy was a cruel ending to the AORC with it being rained out and cancelled for the second year in a row. A long, long journey just to turn around and drive the 2,000kms home.

Here's a few more of the Ranger.
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Much to everyone's surprise I had a ball being co-driver and would do it again. It's definitely a cheaper way to race and I encourage anyone who wants to get into the sport to give it a go. It's a great way to learn the ropes.
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Post by brumbyrunner » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:35 pm

I guess it's about time to revive this thread and continue on with the build. The anticipated ruin of Extreme 4WD (the old class 8 ) hasn't happened. In fact, there are quite a few front-engined cars being built now that will certainly keep this class exciting into the future.

Last year I decided to step away from the gold Brumby for 12 months and help out a mate who was getting back into the drivers seat after a 20 year absence. He had been crewing for me for the last 10 years and, if you've followed this thread's build photos, owns the engineering workshop where a lot of the work was done. The wheel arches, tyre carrier and sump guard were all built there by him and I and that beautiful metallic paint was sprayed in his paint booth.

So early in 2010 he must have decided that I couldn't have all the fun and imported a Ford Ranger from the US. Image

It had done a few seasons over there and was basically ready to race.
It slotted straight into our Performance 2WD class (the old class 5) so with a fresh coat of Landcruiser Pewter we were off. Image

Like me, Dan runs his own business, employs a bunch of people and has a young family so it's difficult to find time to get away. We ended up getting to 3 races: Round 1 of the North QLD c'ship at Charters Towers, Finke and Gundy. Charters Towers was so wet and slippery that they cancelled half of it but we still won our class. We had a great run at Finke, only replacing a uni-joint at the overnight stop and then finishing 3rd in class.
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Gundy was a cruel ending to the AORC with it being rained out and cancelled for the second year in a row. A long way to travel just to turn around and drive 2,000kms home.

Here's a few more of the Ranger.
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Much to everyone's surprise I had a ball being co-driver and would do it again. It's definitely a cheaper way to race and I encourage anyone who wants to get into the sport to give it a go. It's a great way to learn the ropes.
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Post by brumbyrunner » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:45 pm

Bradenrm wrote:Read whole thread. time for sleep. awesome work!

I'm as confused as a fat kid with a salad though, are you still allowed to run the brumby?
Yes. The only thing that's changed is that now you're permitted to mount the engine in the rear if you want to.
FROG wrote:If todays comedy of errors and bad luck comes to fruition then this thread will hopefully see a revival and I will sleep well tomorrow night :-)
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El_Freddo wrote:Best of luck tomorrow! Looking forward to some pics!
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Post by brumbyrunner » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:11 am

When the drivers side rear trailing arm broke at Finke in 2010 we sort of slid to a stop into some scrub as I tried to steer off the track. I managed to avoid all the big trees but the pass. door came to rest against a bush. Couldn't open the door but the panel damage was minimal.

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Post by brumbyrunner » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:19 am

Autopsy reveals there's not a lot holding the bearing carrier onto the factory trailing arm.

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If I was starting again, I'd machine up a new thicker housing from billet but for now I just want to repair and strengthen the existing arms so will reuse the factory ones. Spent some time lining everything up and welding it back together properly.

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Post by brumbyrunner » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:12 pm

A few years ago when I built the front strut towers, the remote canister hose just fouled on the bonnet. Because I wanted 10' travel struts with only a 2" body lift, I jacked the rear of the bonnet up with spacers until we got around to fixing it properly.

First step was to cut a hole in the bonnet big enough to allow it to close without the bonnet spacers.
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CAMS rules that you must not have suspension protruding through body panels so I welded a dome shaped cover over the openings in the bonnet.
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I didn't take any pics after the bonnet was painted but here we are in Alice Springs for bi-annual scruiteneering. Looks much better with the bonnet back where it's supposed to be.
We'd gone down for the Zaglass Memorial Short Course which is a night race so we'd fitted 50watt HID inserts to all four headlights as well as 70watt HID 5" spotlights to the bullbar.
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Post by AshR » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:58 pm

Woo the Brumby lives :)

Have loved reading this thread with all the ups and downs. Good luck with racing it again :)

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Post by alang » Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:10 pm

brumbyrunner wrote:When the drivers side rear trailing arm broke at Finke in 2010 we sort of slid to a stop into some scrub as I tried to steer off the track. I managed to avoid all the big trees but the pass. door came to rest against a bush. Couldn't open the door but the panel damage was minimal.

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Post by vincentvega » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:22 pm

awesome to see some progress shots gain mate. im always impressed with what you can build in that shed of yours.
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Post by brumbyrunner » Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:40 am

AshR wrote:Woo the Brumby lives :)
Have loved reading this thread with all the ups and downs. Good luck with racing it again :)
Yep, it's definitely a work in progress. Thanks.
alang wrote:only a small dint......... but i did notice the string line being used for the wheel alignment was it
For wheel alignment and to keep everything square as I build the suspension or change bodywork.
vincentvega wrote:awesome to see some progress shots gain mate. im always impressed with what you can build in that shed of yours.
Awesome to be working on it again Dane, and there's some big improvements planned for the rest of the year.
Unfortunately that means we won't be ready for Gundy.
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Post by brumbyrunner » Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:53 am

Didn't have a real good start to the year when we went to Alice for the Zaglass Memorial race. We got about 3 minutes into Prologue when the motor blew. It actually kept running for a few minutes and made enough power to keep us limping towards the finish line and towards the pits. Didn't make it in though, so had to get towed the last half a km.
Popping the bonnet revealed a little problem with the block.

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Post by Outback bloke » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:16 am

What I was saying about the water cross over the other night won't work with the factory parts. The return/outlet hits on the bell housing. You will have to make it up if you want to change the direction of the water.

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Post by brumbyrunner » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:14 pm

Outback bloke wrote:What I was saying about the water cross over the other night won't work with the factory parts. The return/outlet hits on the bell housing. You will have to make it up if you want to change the direction of the water.
You're right, I've tried it already. What about the EJ22 water manifold? Had a feeling they were different and had been used for this. Anybody got one they can test fit to a block for me?
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Post by brumbyrunner » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:54 am

After the motor destroyed itself in April we had to get a replacement sorted out so we could still do the Finke. Jeff from ********* tracked down a version 6 STI which was a direct bolt-in and we were good to go. No pics but it looks exactly the same anyhow.

Finke continued to be a great learning curve. We got our first ever flat tyre (for Finke), drove it so hard I ran out of fuel 10km from Apatula (also a first), tapped a Performance 2WD from behind because he wouldn't pull over (another first), and broke the 5 speed gearbox for the last time. Everything else worked really well, shocks didn't bottom out much, car ran really cool and rich, boost stayed under 15psi and even though the sumpguard smacked the ground a few times, it held up fine.

Suspension setup has improved to the point where the car is now fast enough that I don't think any built 5-speed will handle the shock loads so I'm getting a 6 speed built.

The other main problem is the approach angle. It's not an easy problem to rectify but to do it properly the exhaust crossover pipe and sump have got to go. We'll be installing a dry sump, custom exhaust manifold and new high clearance sump guard to raise the bar a couple more notches.
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exciting stuff mate. you thinking of using a DCCD center with the 6 speed or another tight viscous coupling?

Scott's STI 6 speed is stock and its put up with heaps of abuse. What are your plans for the built box?
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Post by brumbyrunner » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:11 am

vincentvega wrote:exciting stuff mate. you thinking of using a DCCD center with the 6 speed or another tight viscous coupling?

Scott's STI 6 speed is stock and its put up with heaps of abuse. What are your plans for the built box?
For starters I'll use the stock gearset which are all the same ratio up to 4th and then the 1.062 5th and 0.842 6th found in the earlier stuff. Front diff will be a Torsen, centre diff will be locked with a spool. I'm trying to track down a 4.44 crown wheel & pinion otherwise I'll have to go 3.9 and change the rear diff to match.

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Post by vincentvega » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:42 pm

I dont think it ever was for sale but everything is for sale at the right price ;)
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Post by brumbyrunner » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:41 pm

Must be thinking of someone else....
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He did tell me he was going to sell it. It was a while ago now so I guess he isn't in a hurry to get rid of it.

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Post by Outback bloke » Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:27 am

Did you pull the old motor down yet and find out what it was that let go?

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**** I love this!

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Post by brumbyrunner » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:19 pm

I've got it pulled down to a long block to mock up the dry sump and new headers. The autopsy will have to wait until they're all done. Through the hole in the block though, it looks like No.4 conrod has let go...

General consensus among Suby gurus I've talked to is that the motor starved for oil after prolonged high RPM. It won't happen again. And on that note, the dry sump gear has left the US and is on it's way.
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Post by seagull » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:45 am

This will happen even with a dry sump as that's not the underlying issue.

To fix the issue you need a correctly oil phased crank, number 11 oil pump that has been correctly ported to stop cavitation & PRV set correctly.

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seagull wrote:This will happen even with a dry sump as that's not the underlying issue.

To fix the issue you need a correctly oil phased crank, number 11 oil pump that has been correctly ported to stop cavitation & PRV set correctly.

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Well done Stuart

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Post by Silverbullet » Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:16 pm

The astonishing thing is this vehicle not only finished the race but finished in 43rd position out of 99 entries with vehicles like $200K+ Geiser Trophy Trucks and $100K+ Jimco buggies DNFing and not making it to the end.
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Post by El_Freddo » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:05 pm

I love the fact they're all so gob-smacked that a brumby finished the race!

Well done, you've gotta be pretty stoked with that!

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Post by brumbyrunner » Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:05 pm

El_Freddo wrote:Well done, you've gotta be pretty stoked with that!
Stoked enough that I really should update this thread. I feel a bit more motivated too after being contacted by Tony from Oregon and then reading his build thread here

Just shows what you can do on a tight budget and a conservative driving style.
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El_Freddo wrote:Well done, you've gotta be pretty stoked with that!
Stoked enough that I really should update this thread. I feel a bit more motivated too after being contacted by Paul from Oregon and then reading his build thread here

Just shows what you can do on a tight budget and a conservative driving style.
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Post by El_Freddo » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:01 pm

^ And all I've done tonight is read up on this build. Very interesting.

Also note that a gen 3/4 outback built up by a US member was up for sale last feb... Didn't hear about that on the forums!

Still going on the reading, at page 24 of 34 :rolleyes:

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So if we rewind back to April last year, I'd put the front strut bulges into the bonnet so it could be lowered back down to it's original height, installed new rotary buckle harnesses due to the old ones being out of time and then presented the car for Bi-Annual scruiteneering in Alice Springs.
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While we were there we entered a local club race, the Zaglass Memorial which is a day/night event, as a shake-down before Finke. This probably saved us from DNFing at Finke because the motor grenaded in the first couple of kms and we were in the market for a new engine. We got home and stripped the motor down to discover this
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I had been planning for some time to get a built motor for the car but with only 8 weeks until Finke, I didn't think we had time to do it properly. My good mate Jeff (from *********) pulled some strings and found us a really good V6 STI import. It wasn't complete as we needed our old turbo, alternator, p/s pump, flywheel etc which was all still good from the old motor. We freighted it up to the NT, got it bolted in and running just in time to head back to Alice Springs for Finke.
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It was running really rough until we swapped over the injectors from the old motor and we were good to go. Frog came through with new spark plugs, leads and coil.
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Post by brumbyrunner » Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:33 am

Finke 2012 was the the quietest one yet. No Backyard Boys, no family, no crew at all. We didn't even have anyone to drive the truck but my good mate Dan (with the Ranger a few pages back) had his truck going down to meet him at Finke, so we through our spares, tools and fuel in too.

Prologue was a pretty steady time of 6:06 which was 3rd in class and 50th outright from 84 starters.

Race day one saw us lose a lot of time stopping to deal with a myriad of problems. First a relay stopped the low pressure pump from working but we fixed that. Then we had our first ever tyre change when one of the MTRs went flat. And to top it all off we ran out of fuel and had to "borrow" a jerry can from a generous race fan on the side of the track. Don't even know who he is but we were very grateful. We finished day one 3rd in class and 40th outright in a time of 3hrs26min.

We had also torn a front inner CV boot so we changed that and re-gased the shocks and got ready for day 2.

We actually had a great run out of Finke and were making time on the competition when the gearbox let go about 40kms in. It looked like the front diff had tried to jump out of the case and was leaking oil badly. We decided to continue on slowly and just try to finish if the gearbox held up. The gear shifting was still okay and we still had all five but it was making a deafening grinding noise.

Strangely enough, the noise began to ease so we went a little faster, then faster again, and soon we were back to race pace albeit with only rear drive. Don't know how the gearbox held up with no oil and all that grinding, but it did, and that 20kg Viscous Centre did a superb job of directing enough drive to the back diff. We still did it in 3hrs30min and that was enough for 3rd in class and 35th outright.

You can see the small hole in the side of the case. It doesn't look much but that 'box is toast.
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Post by Bantum » Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:59 am

So did you find out what 'let go' ? Both in the yea old engine & gear box above ?

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Post by El_Freddo » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:29 am

^ That's awesome! Good times eh?

Keen to read more when you've got the time ;)

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Post by brumbyrunner » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:28 am

Check out this footage of us hitting some whoops waaaay too fast....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfSy8j2_ ... el&list=UL
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Post by Bantum » Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:23 am

Just watched 10 min worth, very cool ... :D

I note how everyone had slowed down by the end of the run ... :cool:

Liked your run the best ( 6 min mark ), almost made it all the way too ! ... :)

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Post by brumbyrunner » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:22 am

After Finke 2012, I started work on the dry sump. It was handy having a blown motor to mock up everything and for grinding & welding without fear of damaging the motor. I bought most of my parts from Petersons in the USA and they were great to deal with. Good advise and superfast freight.
First I mounted up the Petersons scavenge pump and new ATI harmonic balancer. These are a great unit anyway, but you need one to mount the belt-drive sprocket onto. Peterson also makes this soild billet alloy mount that bolts to the alternator bracket where the aircon compressor usually lives. Everything lined up just fine with any minor adjustment available from the sprocket on the pump shaft.

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Post by TOONGA » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:06 am

"Go the brumby!!!" ..."did ya see the brumby...?" " eyahehhhe..." "Hey!!! we could do one of them!!!!" ... "do you want a chicken sambo...?"

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I'm guessing there was at least 4-5 feet of air on a couple of those whoops

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Post by Bantum » Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:09 am

Umm ... what are going to do with the water lines, as won't they interfere with that pimp setup ? ... :p

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Post by El_Freddo » Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:54 am

Loved the video. Looks like the Brumby took it in its stride compared to some of the bigger vehicles including the pro buggies!

Looking forward to seeing the rest of the setup.

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Post by NachaLuva » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:48 pm

brumbyrunner wrote:the motor grenaded in the first couple of kms and we were in the market for a new engine. We got home and stripped the motor down to discover this
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Ouch! Any idea what happened?
brumbyrunner wrote:the gearbox let go about 40kms in. It looked like the front diff had tried to jump out of the case and was leaking oil badly.
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Don't know how the gearbox held up with no oil and all that grinding, but it did, and that 20kg Viscous Centre did a superb job of directing enough drive to the back diff. We still did it in 3hrs30min and that was enough for 3rd in class and 35th outright.

You can see the small hole in the side of the case. It doesn't look much but that 'box is toast.
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Post by brumbyrunner » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:50 pm

Bantum wrote:Umm ... what are going to do with the water lines, as won't they interfere with that pimp setup ? ... :p
One of the many issues that had to be sorted out. Stay tuned....I'll get to it.
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Way to keep going against the odds...awesome effort! :twisted:
BTW, how do you find the 20kg centre onroad?
>I think #4 bigend let go. I honestly haven't spend much time investigating. As far as I'm concerned these motors needs better lubrication. When I get my new motor built, it'll be getting crank phasing.
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Post by brumbyrunner » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:51 am

The primary goal for my dry sump installation was improving the approach angle. N/A motors are bad enough, but when you have to contend with a turbo crossover pipe in front of an already low hanging sump and then raise the body and bumper away from it, the approach angle gets woeful and the components are horrible exposed. Any Subaru off-roaders already know this I'm sure. In the beginning, I made a steel bashplate to protect the front-end and tie it all together and it's done a fine job. However, it does strike the ground regularly and needs straightening after every race.

So to this end, I tried to make everything below the block as "tucked up" and streamlined as I could. With the exhaust and sump removed the lowest hanging things are the oil pump and oil filter. I removed the oil cooler housing and using a metric nipple, bolted the oil filter directly to the block. The dry sump will hold about twice as much oil and have lines running all the way to the back of the cab, so cooling won't be a problem. The oil cooler coolant return line runs to a port in the block which un-screws and I replaced it with a plug. The coolant supply line comes direct from the water pump which also has two other outlets that I thought I didn't need. The outlets are pressed in so I removed them and tapped out the ports so I could screw plugs in their place.

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Post by Captain Obvious » Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:48 pm

great to see things are happening again stuart! that video i cool stuff!!

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Post by brumbyrunner » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:58 am

Thanks Bryan.

Next up, I built a new coolant line that runs from the water pump, up the cam covers, under the oil pump, under the intake manifold and meets up with the existing line from the radiator, just behind the starter motor. Also in this pic, you can see the pump mount bolted to the alt bracket. I had to turn it upside down, carve a piece out of the bottom to clear the coolant line and tap in new threads. Metric this time instead of UNC. I did this to lower the pump so it'd clear the bonnet.

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I also built a reversed water manifold that runs from the two outlets on top of the block, under the intake manifold and meets up with the other line to the water pump.

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I also blanked off the oil filler as it's no longer needed.

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Post by brumbyrunner » Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:19 am

Theres a few dry sump oil pans on the market, but none suited this application so I had to build my own. I'm using a 3 stage pump which gives 2 stages of suction, so I need 2 outlets on the oil pan but they have to be at the front, to keep away from the exhaust. The rear of the oil pan is higher so the oil can drain down to the outlets. The long red fittings are scavenge filters to stop rubbish getting sucked into the oil pump.

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I also wanted to retain the windage tray so had to cut it down to fit under the new oil pan.

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Post by Bantum » Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:41 am

Do you still have / need a thermostat in the line somewhere ?

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Post by brumbyrunner » Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:45 am

All the Subaru dry sumps I've seen use an adapter on the oil filter location. This allows the oil to be fed directly into the bearings etc. and away from the disused oil pump. But it hangs down too low and requires a relocated oil filter which is an overly complex result. Instead, I ran my oil feed line into the bottom of the gutted oil pump, where the oil can follow it's original path into the engine. I cut the feed port on the bottom of the pump as short as I could and tapped it out to M18x1.5

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Then built a JIC elbow to screw into the port. A bit short on pics but this is the end result.

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You can also see I had to replace one of the new plugs on the water pump to run a coolant hose to the turbo.
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Post by brumbyrunner » Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:47 am

Bantum wrote:Do you still have / need a thermostat in the line somewhere ?
No, don't need one.
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Post by brumbyrunner » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:09 am

Next up I mounted the Petersons oil tank behind the passenger seat.

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And the breather can outside the cab on the rear firewall.

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Then I ran the rest of the hoses. This new nylon braid from Earls doesn't have the same wear characteristics as steel braid but is about half the weight and is still rated for high pressure and vacuum.

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Post by STiAMV » Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:17 am

I welcome, who the producer of disks and what parameters diameter, width, OFFSET and PCD?

brumbyrunner wrote:You can see how much higher the rear guard is cut out now compared to when I did it the first time.

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Post by steptoe » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:44 am

The wheel rims, also known as mag wheels, look like "Performance" brand , made by in Adelaide, South Australian . My guess is 15" x 6" ?

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Post by TOONGA » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:37 am

Nice work with all the plumbing, you have given me a few ideas concerning my carby manifold on PJ.

does having no thermostat mean you used a restricter of some sort, or does the distance the coolant is travelling mean you have fewer overheating problems and more keeping the coolant hot?

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STiAMV wrote:I welcome, who the producer of disks and what parameters diameter, width, OFFSET and PCD?
steptoe is right STiMAV, they are Performance Superlites in 15 x 7, made right here in Australia. Can't remember the offset but the PCD is just the Subaru 4 stud pattern 4x140. Check them out here
TOONGA wrote:Nice work with all the plumbing, you have given me a few ideas concerning my carby manifold on PJ.

does having no thermostat mean you used a restricter of some sort, or does the distance the coolant is travelling mean you have fewer overheating problems and more keeping the coolant hot?

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brumbyrunner wrote:steptoe is right STiMAV, they are Performance Superlites in 15 x 7, made right here in Australia. Can't remember the offset but the PCD is just the Subaru 4 stud pattern 4x140. Check them out here



When we first plumbed the radiator in the back, I let the EJ water pump do all the work to see what would happen. It couldn't keep up as the temp was very erratic. Then I added the smallest Davis-Craig water pump (there make 2 sizes), kept the thermostat and wired the pump to run with the ignition (full time). It worked great and ran so cool that if you leave the fans running when the car is idling, they will pull the temp down to ambient. But it was difficult to prime, so now the pump is switched independently and with no thermostat I can pump coolant through the entire system without the motor running. I can also now leave the water pump off when the engines cold so it warms up faster.


at me on the Forester stand similar from WATANABE OFFSET34 PCD5/100, I want such as at you for BRAT to find but that OFFSET was zero , thanks for the link

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Post by purp » Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:18 pm

FROG wrote:Check out the Brumby

http://youtu.be/0fbzJgeW7wQ

Race week is here :)
Looks like the steering gets a bit light just after the three minute mark...

!!! awesome.

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Post by steptoe » Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:23 pm

watch all 8 mins 18 seconds too !! Next life I had better come back as an aerial camera dude - wanted to hear the chopper noise :)

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Post by outback » Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:18 pm

What a top vid.
Would love to see some in car stuff to..

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Post by Bantum » Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:38 pm

Cool vid ... :)

I wonder who the chic videoing it is ?

Cheers, Bantum ...

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Post by NachaLuva » Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:02 pm

purp wrote:Looks like the steering gets a bit light just after the three minute mark...

!!! awesome.
Yep he got some air alright! :twisted:

Cant believe how fast he was going on some of those straights. You could tell it was fast by the trees flying by the chopper at low level lol :cool:
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Post by FROG » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:40 pm

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Stuart and Jim got first in class and 29 th overall
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Post by steptoe » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:48 pm

Nice shot Andy - yours ? Noticed Doms Motors have sponsored the Brumbyrunners.

Bantum, took yer eye off the road for a minute there ?? Must admit, thought the camera man either had nice leg or we need glasses :p

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Post by NachaLuva » Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:01 pm

Look at that awesome suspension :twisted:

Apparently he's spent a lot of time & $$$ getting it right. Congrats for an outstanding effort! :mrgreen:
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Post by FROG » Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:12 am

steptoe wrote:Nice shot Andy - yours ? Noticed Doms Motors have sponsored the Brumbyrunners.

Bantum, took yer eye off the road for a minute there ?? Must admit, thought the camera man either had nice leg or we need glasses :p

Not my shot Jonno thats a Tatts picture
Ive wanted to sponsor Stuart for a long time and finally talked Dom into a few bucks to try and help out
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Post by Bantum » Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:28 pm

steptoe wrote:... Bantum, took yer eye off the road for a minute there ?? Must admit, thought the camera man either had nice leg or we need glasses ...
Yes - Must admit didn't see that until I played it a few times ( watch the Brumby ) then when I did start to notice the pink thongs & set of pins to go with - so thought hang on, that's no bloke filming there ... :p

Great filming anyway ... ;)

Cheers, Bantum ...

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Post by RSR 555 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:42 am

Awesome to see all that work has paid off. Congrats to Stuart and Jim :) Well done
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Post by Tim82 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:31 pm

Well done guys!!!

I was there watching about the 90 km mark, great to see the brumby doing well in the desert!!

Great effort, hope to see you again next year.

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Post by steptoe » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:38 pm

someone was pretty serious about cutting the rust out of its arches :p

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Post by El_Freddo » Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:46 pm

FROG wrote:Ive wanted to sponsor Stuart for a long time and finally talked Dom into a few bucks to try and help out
Awesome work on getting some sponsorship sorted Andy!

Once again, congrats on the effort to you and the team Stu! All that blood sweat, breakages and tears have been worth it!

Someone needs to post a pic of the trophy - it looks awesome and very well worth the effort!

I also liked someone's comment on bookface - "Extreme 4wd of Australia is a Brumby - Confirmed!" Gold :D

Here's to next year guys!

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Post by El_Freddo » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:44 pm

Awesome pics! I can see these being framed for the wall in the shed or above the dunny like my dad's old rally pic of his team's datto getting air (not that much like the above) over a rise back in the late 70's.

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Post by RSR 555 » Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:55 am

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This has got to go straight to the pool room !!
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I'd like to get a high res of this pic and put it up at the workshop if that's ok?
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Post by brumbyrunner » Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:41 pm

The official event photographers at this years Finke were Moving Pictures. All their photos are available at http://www.movingpictures.com.au

If you'd like to see your logo on the gold Brumby, shoot us a pm.
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Post by RSR 555 » Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:24 pm

brumbyrunner wrote:The official event photographers at this years Finke were Moving Pictures. All their photos are available at http://www.movingpictures.com.au

If you'd like to see your logo on the gold Brumby, shoot us a pm.
Thanks I'll check that website out and see what they offer.

I think RSR Performance would look very nice on the beast :) PM being sent ;)
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Wow.. those bikes :o
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Post by STiAMV » Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:11 pm

welcome and congratulations with 1st place in the race, racing video where you can see
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Post by outback » Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:29 pm

That's awesome.
Please move vids.

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Post by STiAMV » Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:45 pm

and what speed was on the straight section in this video , the helicopter goes well for you )))
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Post by NachaLuva » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:11 pm

Awesome pics & that speed on the straight was insane. How fast do you think you were going?

Nice height on the jumps lol :twisted:

Once again, congrats :cool::mrgreen:
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Post by steptoe » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:22 pm

Seemed to be the week for trophies eh? :D

Yours was well earned, mine was little effort and a lot of luck :p

Now, if only all MY Brumbies looked and went like yours !

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Post by brumbyrunner » Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:42 pm

STiAMV wrote:and what speed was on the straight section in this video , the helicopter goes well for you )))
http://youtu.be/0fbzJgeW7wQ
Not sure, but our helicopter maxes out at about 90 knots which equates to 167km/h. So a bit faster than that.
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Post by brumbyrunner » Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:45 pm

NachaLuva wrote:Awesome pics & that speed on the straight was insane. How fast do you think you were going?

Nice height on the jumps lol :twisted:

Once again, congrats :cool::mrgreen:
Which footage are you referring to? The practice run from the helicopter or the Finke prologue?
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Post by El_Freddo » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:19 pm

Did the Finke happen for Settlement Creek Racing this year? Looks like we missed last year's updates. I'm hoping there's good news from this year's race!

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Post by NachaLuva » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:40 am

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Post by brumbyrunner » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:46 pm

El_Freddo wrote:Did the Finke happen for Settlement Creek Racing this year? Looks like we missed last year's updates. I'm hoping there's good news from this year's race!
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Post by El_Freddo » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:19 pm

Bummer :(

Still going to pursue racing the Brumby?

Bloody Bumface spoiling all our forum fun :(

Thanks for the update anyway!

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Post by brumbyrunner » Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:49 pm

El_Freddo wrote:Bummer :(
Still going to pursue racing the Brumby?
Bloody Bumface spoiling all our forum fun :(
Thanks for the update anyway!
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brumbyrunner wrote:Once I've got a few things sorted out Bennie, we'll be back bigger and better and faster than ever.
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Post by El_Freddo » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:22 pm

Ah for fox sake!

I was hoping for a sneaky peak FROM bumface, not a piece of bumface on the forum...

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Post by El_Freddo » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:03 pm

I’m guessing that faceblock has won the update Warran on this epic build and story..?

Shame all the early build pics are dead - a time least according to my phone viewing :???:

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Post by STiAMV » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:54 am

El_Freddo wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:03 pm
I’m guessing that faceblock has won the update Warran on this epic build and story..?

Shame all the early build pics are dead - a time least according to my phone viewing :???:

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