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89 Targa Brumby

Post by Suby Spanner » Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:19 pm

I'll post pics over the next few days/weeks.

I sold my brumby in about 2000/01. Dumb thing to do, it had 9,000km when I got it (yes, 9,000km, it was my grandpa's ute and he didn't have a license so it was all farm miles) and I sold it with about 50,000km on it. The wife bought a brand new MY2015 impreza (2014 build, FYI Awesome car), and since then I've been aching for another brumby/subaru. I've checked the rego number of my old brumby and it's no longer registered, so I gave up trying to track that down.

Last week end I got what I wanted:
Red
Bull bar
Tow bar
Quad headlight
Air conditioning
Targa!!!!!
89 build with the original height-adjustable shocks :)

So it's not in the greatest of nick, appearance wise. Lots of car park dings and a nice dent in the RH rear quarter. All the chrome strips are on the rear! They're not perfect, but fine for me. Put a tonneau on it and no-one would know. The interior is pretty damn good. Dash pad is cracked, not bad. Not sure if I'll chase up a another or just put a dash mat over it. Most of the interior is great. Door trims really good, seats good. The usual hacking of the radio surround, a few screw holes for UHF's, and several switches for lights, one reverse in the tray, and spot lights under the bull bar.

The photos the seller provided made it look worse than it was, so it was a good surprise when I went to see it. A good look over shows the actual chassis is in GREAT shape. Better than my old one in fact. The sill panels are straight and rust free, the rear wheel wells are rust free, as are the front guards and the a pillar around the door hinges. Starts and runs great. Not registered, but I've belted around the yard, everything seems fine. Even has good tyres! So that's the good news.

The bad is:
Radiator leaking, I'll get it looked at, otherwise I'll put a new one in.
Oil pump leaking. Fixed plenty of them before.
Air cond not working: I have AC license, so no drama.
Front CV's stuffed, again no big deal for me.
Rocker covers leaking. I'll adjust the valve clearence while I'm there.
Tail gate is rust free, but bit ugly, especially inside. Totally salvageable though.

The real bad:
One rust hole in the tray a few inches back from the cabin wall: Looks like there was a support plate underneath, so I'm guessing mud got in there and rusted out.
The front windscreen rubber is shot: Rust in A pillars, *doesn't look that bad*, but rust is a deceitful bitch. I expect I'll need the welder :(
Rust on roof around LH glass pane.
Passenger door inside is pretty rusted, but looking at a few other threads it looks like I can raid a sedan door for a repair section if I can't find a door easy.

Now I can't spend much time on it currently for a variety of reasons, but I actually own it and look forward to fixing her up. I really want to fix up this roof and windscreen issue before I park it outside for a few months, but I know once I start, I'm committed to repairing it. I haven't even tried to open the targa for fear of making matters worse before I can spend the time repairing it. A full respray is in order, but that is some time off.

I originally wanted one I could lift, big wheels, flares and treat badly, but TBH, this one's too good for that, so it'll be a nice streeter.

This is the first targa I've seen in person, so now, I've got a few questions:
Windscreen rubber? Reading around genuine seems the best option?
One of the chrome corner trims is missing on the front screen, are they available new?
Does anyone have any info on the targa? ie. How it operates/parts diagrams etc??? Are the seals universal pinchweld, or are they genuine only? Are they even available?
Does anyone have a parts diagram for the tray section so I can work out what goes on where the rust is?
Does the targa have any covers to block the sun out when the panels are closed? I can't see how they would fit anyway.
Oh, and are the door keys different to the ignition key? The ignition key is single sided, but the doors are double, can't remember what my old one was like.
Tail-lights, haven't looked closely, but I think it's just a cracked lense. Replace the lense, or can we get good non-gen light units?
Where to source tonneau cover?

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Post by TOONGA » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:14 am

Windscreen rubber? Reading around genuine seems the best option?
Genuine
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/GENUINE-Suba ... Swx-9WvDZd $249 dollars

Aftermarket

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SUBARU-BRUMB ... SwA4dWKb6j

77 dollars + $14 postage



One of the chrome corner trims is missing on the front screen, are they available new?

Not that I know of, if they are they would be ex-Japan

Does anyone have any info on the targa? ie. How it operates/parts diagrams etc??? Are the seals universal pinchweld, or are they genuine only? Are they even available?

Bennie?

Does anyone have a parts diagram for the tray section so I can work out what goes on where the rust is?

If it is the middle of the tray behind the rear glass, it is a round hole with a piece of sheet metal under it as you stated perfect place to store mud, leaves and bark

Does the targa have any covers to block the sun out when the panels are closed? I can't see how they would fit anyway.

Not that I know of Bennie may know.

Oh, and are the door keys different to the ignition key? The ignition key is single sided, but the doors are double, can't remember what my old one was like.

most later model brumbys have this option from the factory aftermarket ignition barrels are double sided keys

Tail-lights, haven't looked closely, but I think it's just a cracked lense. Replace the lense, or can we get good non-gen light units?

No non genuine as far as I know.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/GENUINE-Suba ... 2020865986

$77.95

Where to source tonneau cover?

A good car tonneau maker?

Pictures would be nice

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Post by El_Freddo » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:32 pm

Ok, targa glass operation:

On the outer side is the little tab to open the glass, simply flick this up and it'll then lock into place with the glass at ~30* angle.

To remove the glass: before opening, release the lock mechanism on the inner side of the glass near the centre of the ceiling, it'll be a black tab that slides back to the rear of the vehicle.

Once this is unlocked you can release the open mechanism and squeeze the chrome tabs inwards so that their "arm" section in contact with the interior panel comes out. Then the glass can be lifted up until the hinges can be slid out.

Store the glass behind the seats in the straps ensuring the rubber corner is not in contact with the trans tunnel as this will damage them.

From memory the glass sits with the rear edge facing down to the floor, with the inner side of the glass panel facing forward. You'll work it out ;)

Chrome corner piece is common on the windscreen across the MY models. Find one of those and you'll be sorted.

Be aware that rust holes in the windscreen corners can be an alert to look for early signs of rust in the A pillars and floor/under floor areas. It gets nasty if left to do its thing.

That rust in the tray will be from a little plate that covers the holes used in the US market for the rear jump seats. There's always rust in here, if not visa me from above it'll be present from under the vehicle for sure.

What section of the quarter panel has the damage?

The rest seems pretty good to start with. I'd consider some way of keeping it out of the weather as this looks after them the best.

Good little vehicles if you look after them ;)

You've probably found the build of mine already, if not it's in the resto section. It's in for some long awaited repairs, otherwise is the same setup other than the build date...

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Post by Suby Spanner » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:33 pm

Toonga and El Freddo

Thanks for the interest and replies.

The main dent is high near the back of the tray, with the inner panel removed we'll be able to sort that out easy.

The straps on the back fire wall is for the targa, neat! Couldn't remember my old one having them.

I looked in the glove box tonight, found most the original stuff, except the owners manual. I have the Australian supplement and original service book: Sold in Hamilton vic, serviced over the west in SA, and now back in Adelaide, she's been around! The supplement actually has the user instructions for the targa! Sorry El Freedo for making you type that.

Not sure why the roofs so rusty, I can't find anything about the roofs rusting on the targas. They sure seem to rust everywhere else though.

I haven't taken any pics myself, (was going to host on imageshack, seems they don't do it for free anymore :mad: )

I need to give it a good scrub externally, might pay to pull the seats and floor up, but from underneath she's all good.

So with the tray rust, do people just weld a patch in? Do we need to put that plate back under it?
Someones cut the air filter box down a bit, so the winter/summer flap section is gone!
What year were catalytic converters fitted from?

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Post by dfoyl » Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:06 pm

1986 from memory on the cat's.
>One of the chrome corner trims is missing on the front screen
I should have one of these if you want it.
I used the eBay window seals, no issues after >1 year.
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Post by Suby Spanner » Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:13 pm

thanks dfoyl. I was thinking 86/87 for cats, right around when Unleaded become necessary.

Looks like I scored some factory 13 inch sunraisers! Yay. Just gotta hope the guy comes good on the deal.

Only thing left I want (in terms of main parts) is an ag-quip style rear bar/step/bumper.

Does anyone have some pics of one? I've tried googling but I don't have much luck. Are they easy to copy, or should I keep my eyes peeled for a second hand setup?

Might make a diff cover, like the ag-quips had also.

When this rain nicks off I'll get some pics up.

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Post by majordad1 » Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:53 pm

Suby,

I am very happy with new Tonneau I got from some crowd in Gladstone was not expensive and turned up within a week. Will try and dig up the contact details and load a photo or 2. Mines a 92 and has a Catalytic converter had to replace it. Cheers Majordad

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Post by Suby Spanner » Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:04 pm

Thanks major dad.

Where'd the cat come from? Did you replace the whole y pipe, or just the cat itself?

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Post by Suby Spanner » Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:39 pm

Let's see some pics! Apologies for the links, be damned if I can get pics in line.

Tray from above
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s2t6rzrw1axuv ... 1.jpg?dl=0

Roof between glass panels
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0dtgha2jf5s9q ... 1.jpg?dl=0

Tray from underneath: Do people replace this section?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jmy0ge7zvyetg ... 5.jpg?dl=0

Windscreen, both sides are like this, the actual A pillar appears ok
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yr7sieznpknd1 ... .jpeg?dl=0

Interior
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kh1x3tt47jsjd ... .jpeg?dl=0

From the rear, that dent on the rear quarter is the biggest, tail gate isn't too bad, definitely repairable.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hjuqmpperz6k5 ... .jpeg?dl=0

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Post by El_Freddo » Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:35 am

That drop box makes it difficult to post images!

Expect the A pillar corners at the bottom of the windscreen to have some holes in there once you clear off the rust scale. That is not going to be pretty sorry to say.

The rust on the roof is "interesting"...

And that panel can be cut out and replaced in the tray. I've seen one job done by a plate and some rivets. Not my cup of tea but if it works. It looks like someone has filled in the holes that plate covers, hence the level of rust in there.

The quarter panel ding looks like it'll push out with some care.

It'll be a neat little unit once it's all done ;)

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Post by Suby Spanner » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:52 am

El_Freddo wrote:That drop box makes it difficult to post images!

Expect the A pillar corners at the bottom of the windscreen to have some holes in there once you clear off the rust scale. That is not going to be pretty sorry to say.

The rust on the roof is "interesting"...

And that panel can be cut out and replaced in the tray. I've seen one job done by a plate and some rivets. Not my cup of tea but if it works. It looks like someone has filled in the holes that plate covers, hence the level of rust in there.

The quarter panel ding looks like it'll push out with some care.

It'll be a neat little unit once it's all done ;)

Cheers

Bennie
Thanks Bennie, yeah you're right. I know the windscreen will see a couple of days with a welder, but it hasn't progressed down the pillar. If it was down the pillar I probably would have walked away from it.

Not sure why the roof shot, I'm wondering if it's had a bad repair previously from hail damage or something.

Not sure how to tackle the tray now I've had a good look, I'll get my panel beater mate to advise (read do it lol).

got the radiator out last night. The header plate is cracked, so it's junk. My radiator people will probably suggest another copper/brass job. Unless there's another better alternative.

Regarding the rad, there was only one fan: The alloy shrouded fan on the drivers side, pretty sure my old brumby had a second fan that was fitted with the air con? Am I missing a fan?

I gave it a wash yesterday and didn't find any other surprises, so other than light panel damage the real issues are:
Roof
Windscreen
Tray

I guess I could have bought a 'better' one, but given how good the body is on this, i think I've got a great little rocket.

Oh, and it starts even better than my old one.... How does that work when it's got 350,000km more on the speedo LOL.

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Post by Silverbullet » Wed Jul 06, 2016 6:57 pm

Suby Spanner wrote:
Regarding the rad, there was only one fan: The alloy shrouded fan on the drivers side, pretty sure my old brumby had a second fan that was fitted with the air con? Am I missing a fan?

I gave it a wash yesterday and didn't find any other surprises, so other than light panel damage the real issues are:
Roof
Windscreen
Tray

I guess I could have bought a 'better' one, but given how good the body is on this, i think I've got a great little rocket.

Oh, and it starts even better than my old one.... How does that work when it's got 350,000km more on the speedo LOL.
If this car doesn't have A/C there will only be one electric fan ;) there should be a second belt driven fan...unless it used to have a/c and someone just took out the condenser fan with the rest of the A/C.

Looks like you've got some work ahead of you with that rust! or someone has some work ahead of them :o I had to do the A pillar corner on my wagon which was rusted like yours, be warned if you want to do it properly it's not for the faint of heart ;) Also the tray in my ute looks worse than yours for rust, sagged in between the chassis rails too from overloading in a previous life. I plan to one day cut the whole floor out and replace it with tread plate like this:

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Post by majordad1 » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:51 pm

Local Exhaust place here in Cleveland QLD supplied one had to modify the Y pipe to fit it up. $120 from memory. Barry

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Post by Suby Spanner » Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:34 pm

Thanks guys.

I do have air cond fitted so I'm missing a fan. Will the wreckers see if I can find one.

Got the new rad in, the rest of the system seems water tight.

Put a seal kit through the oil pump while I had the rad out.

The passenger door had a hissy fit an decided not to unlock, got the trim up enough to release it, once opened I just lubed the lock mech and it seems to have come good.

Got game and pulled up the targa panels...urgh, didn't know the panels had those curve brackets and slots to slide into, that's going to make the repair a lot more fiddly. Just for a laugh I might price up a new roof skin.

Over night I've had it indoors, but during the day it's outside. Lifted the drivers floor, that's ok, but the passengers is wet. I'll dry it out then I'm going to park it with a tarp over the roof and screen until I can commit to fixing the screen and roof. The a pillar on the passenger side is worse than I first expected, not terrible, but not great.

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Post by Silverbullet » Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:38 pm

Oh no! Leaks suck :( My ute leaks now as well, the drivers foot well is perpetually soggy these days. No rust but cracked windscreen rubber.

New roof skin? :o Don't think such a thing exists, maybe a good used one, would be one hell of a project to replace the whole roof ;)
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Post by pedroj » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:33 pm

Crikey,
you have my old brumby.... ARGGHH I thought it had gone to heaven, the rear reversing light is a tell tale for me.... I take it there is an antenna mount on the roof of the beast... with a orange and blue toggle switch (they glow) on the left side of the lower dash (orange for fog and blue for Spot)

I can explain all of the switches if you need more information :) The tray light should come on when the interior light is on and the switch up by the drivers head (B pillar) is on. Also the interior light is from a L series wagon..

any chance I could catch up and see my old friend (Barry The Brumby) one last time?

http://www.users.on.net/~pedroj/cars/barry/index.html

now that stereo is different so that's odd and the radiator was replaced by me when I had it (new not recon) so seems that did not last long :(

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Post by mattw » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:54 pm

majordad1 wrote:Suby,

I am very happy with new Tonneau I got from some crowd in Gladstone was not expensive and turned up within a week. Will try and dig up the contact details and load a photo or 2. Mines a 92 and has a Catalytic converter had to replace it. Cheers Majordad
that would be these guys? Thanks for the prompt to go searching. I need one for mine.

http://www.kemptons.com.au/subaru-brumby-1982-current

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Post by Suby Spanner » Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:08 am

pedroj wrote:Crikey,
you have my old brumby.... ARGGHH I thought it had gone to heaven, the rear reversing light is a tell tale for me.... I take it there is an antenna mount on the roof of the beast... with a orange and blue toggle switch (they glow) on the left side of the lower dash (orange for fog and blue for Spot)

any chance I could catch up and see my old friend (Barry The Brumby) one last time?

http://www.users.on.net/~pedroj/cars/barry/index.html

Regards,
Peter
Well, that's just not fair! I went looking for MY old brumby, and I re-acquaint someone else with their old brumby!

Yeah, absolutely can come see her, she's not registered, so you'll have to trundle into Adelaide. If you've got more pics that would be good to see too, she's not as pretty as when you had it though.

All the switches are still there I think. I honestly haven't spent much time on her (or is it him, Barrry?) Supposedly got a set of factory 13 inch white wheels coming for her.

Just worries me you though it went to heaven.... Not sure I want to know why :???:

I sent you a PM.

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Post by pedroj » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:03 am

Suby Spanner wrote:Well, that's just not fair! I went looking for MY old brumby, and I re-acquaint someone else with their old brumby!

Yeah, absolutely can come see her, she's not registered, so you'll have to trundle into Adelaide. If you've got more pics that would be good to see too, she's not as pretty as when you had it though.

All the switches are still there I think. I honestly haven't spent much time on her (or is it him, Barrry?) Supposedly got a set of factory 13 inch white wheels coming for her.

Just worries me you though it went to heaven.... Not sure I want to know why :???:

I sent you a PM.
Yes the world is so strange with its tangled web of events, I had enquired about that Brumby at MororReg and asked if the license plate was still active and they said it was un registered, so assumed that the brum had gone to a wrecker. um er look at the passenger door front lower corner and the passenger side A pillar around the hinges. Also around the passenger side windscreen (lower). Where ever you see GALV paint, that was me cleaning and trying to treat the dreaded rust as it was used by a beach fisherman in Pt Lincoln I believe.

http://www.users.on.net/~pedroj/cars/barry/ click on the photo of the brumby with the caravan for a better view

I am sure the Brumby does not mind what it is called as long as it is loved :D

Peter.

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Post by Suby Spanner » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:23 pm

Hey Peter,
it can't have been used by a fisherman too much, as the body is pretty good. I agree about the door, that is pretty stuffed, my mate reckons repair it, but if I can find a decent door I might go that way. Passenger a pillar is the worst, but not as bad as many.

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Post by pedroj » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:37 pm

Hi Suby Spaner,
the thing you identified are the reason why that red 89 and I parted company, I could see a day when it was going to be terminal and as it was my first Brumby it was very dear to me and could not bare to watch it decay and did not have the welding skills to repair it... so bought another one in better condition.
Suby Spanner wrote:Hey Peter,
it can't have been used by a fisherman too much, as the body is pretty good. I agree about the door, that is pretty stuffed, my mate reckons repair it, but if I can find a decent door I might go that way. Passenger a pillar is the worst, but not as bad as many.
I am off this week, so would like to see if I can catch up to look at the beast.
will PM you with my contact details.

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Post by Suby Spanner » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:24 pm

Went to you pull it:
Got another passenger door, much better than mine.
Front mudflaps.
Complete air filter box
and two different types of air con fan

Haven't had time to mess with it yet:
Oh, and found my rear muffler delete pipe off my old brumby :)

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Post by Suby Spanner » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:20 pm

Had a few hours spare so got to work.

Rear wheel cylinders look to be leaking, no surprise really. Shoes ok, drums bit hammered, but haven't found a source of new ones. Ideas???

Up for a few CV's at the front. Will replace the joints with decent brand ones, no chinese shafts for me thanks!

Gearbox mounts are stuffed. I'll probably do engine mounts also. Just hit the usual repco/sprints/bursons for them???

I wanted to get the air con going, but the interior fan had seized up, so pulled that out to free up, and the A/C evapourator was full of leaves and muck, so I pulled that out also.... Green dye everywhere... Bugger, I'm up for an evap core. I'd prefer new, anyone got a source for them? Mines a weird looking thing, very different from what's on ebay :(

I'll sort the shifter also, just hit subaru for a bush kit I guess.

A steering rack boot is split, no big deal, my steering guys have the original style, not those universal junky ones.

Managed to free up all the adjustable height suspension, so he's sitting nice and high :)

Other wise it all appears pretty sound.

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Post by pedroj » Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:01 pm

Sounds like some real progress, we have joined the brumby club again, another red one but a 92 with a red canopy (will come off soon). have fitted some liberty seats to mine...

Oh the green dye in the air con was probably from me, had the air con guys put some dye in to try and locate the slow leak it had, never did open up the fan box on that one. Gee sad to hear the CV's are dead, I replaced them with good quality ones sourced through my local Suby dealer.. Keep up the good work.
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Post by Suby Spanner » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:59 pm

So my CV guys tell me they weren't genuine shafts, so they must have been changed again at some stage. I could salvage on, but the other needed replacing.

Got new engine and gearbox mounts for him.

Since getting a new radiator and thermostat, he started putting a few drops of coolant on the ground every morning, water pumps shot. So got a new one of them to.

Does anyone know where I can get the front suspension bushes in rubber? I'd prefer not to go nolathane/plastic type of bush, but I can't find anyone doing them in rubber still.

Really would love to get a new evapourator core, but can't source anything. Any ideas gladly accepted.

Oh, and it's registered now! Yay :)

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Post by Silverbullet » Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:31 am

Suby Spanner wrote: Really would love to get a new evapourator core, but can't source anything. Any ideas gladly accepted.
Because of the design of the old evap core/whole A/C system you really need a genuine unit. Something about the valve in there. New original units are not available anymore, I went down the road of trying to source an aftermarket alternative - there is none! :( Nothing that wouldn't require redesigning the whole system. I had all but given up until I stumbled upon a mint condition Hitachi evap core at U-pull one day.
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Post by Suby Spanner » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:54 pm

Yeah second hand seems the go for the evap unit, I do a fair bit of A/C work, and I'd really rather new, but if they aren't available......

Another question: I can't keep up with gearbox options for the brumby's. I found a 98 liberty EJ25 dual range box (same as outback?????), is that any good in a brumby?

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Post by El_Freddo » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:28 pm

Suby Spanner wrote:Another question: I can't keep up with gearbox options for the brumby's. I found a 98 liberty EJ25 dual range box (same as outback?????), is that any good in a brumby?
Only if you're putting the EJ in with it! Or if you're going to recase it in an L series set of front cases. You'd probably have to recalibrate the speedo for the smaller brumby wheel diametre.

Mind you, anything is possible with some research and maths in the speedo/tyre size department. The rest is working out the lego side of things.

The easiest would be the tried and tested L series 5 speed swap.

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Post by Suby Spanner » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:11 pm

Thanks El Freddo.

Did the l series ever come in an all wheel drive box, or was it only 2wd/4wd?

Chasing my tail with the cooling system on the bazza. First the radiator, then the thermostat, then the water pump, then a hose under the intake, then the manifold gaskets....

Errr! Two bolts were corroded solid in the manifold :(

Several hours of swearing, levering, heating, busting, drilling and tapping... then i could start to reassemble... Not the Friday night I wanted. (I'm betting the head gaskets let go rapidly once I get driving around in it)

Cleaned up my 13 inch sunraysia's, hope to paint them over the coming days. Does anyone know if they were plain white, or did they have a red or blue stripe around them also?

What could do you think I need to paint the brakes given it's a red brumby, with the factory white wheel?

Speaking of wheels, does anyone have the plastic ring to hold the wheel centre in the wheel? I'm missing one.

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Post by El_Freddo » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:36 pm

Paint your brakes a dark grey or black ;)

Factory rims were all white, no stripes!

The L box did come out in AWD but they're hard to find and if not treated well the centre diff may be flogged out. You can build an AWD box into L casings and fit that as already mentioned - some working out of speedo etc required. Bonus there is that you'd get the factory centre LSD. While relatively weak in the grand scheme of things, it means that if you lift a wheel or unload it enough you're not going to spin it for long. The L AWD box has an open centre diff that can spin one wheel when traction is lost. The reason why the L AWD box is an advantage is in offroad applications - you can lock the centre diff just like the L PT4wd box does when engaging the rear end.

So many options, some costly, some require research all will require mods to the gearbox cross member, linkages and tail shaft.

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Post by Suby Spanner » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:18 pm

Put the freshly painted, white, wheels on... Yeah, that looks better.

Picked up a better tailgate than mine at U pull it the other week end, the outter skin is beat, but the inside is far better than mine, so that'll save several hours work :)

Just gotta sort out this damn air con evapourator.

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Post by El_Freddo » Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:42 pm

Suby Spanner wrote:Put the freshly painted, white, wheels on... Yeah, that looks better.
Got pics?
Suby Spanner wrote:Just gotta sort out this damn air con evapourator.
I'm sure there was an evaporator on one of the MYs at the Lonsdale Upullit last week. With the help of Silverbullet grabbing the centre console, I've now got myself a factory electric window setup to drop in the brumby :D I'm spewing that I didn't think about a friend that needs the lid and hinge from the touring wagon centre console!

Keen for some pics ;)

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Post by Suby Spanner » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:16 am

I'll try to organise some pics.

Had a go at the air con last night.

I've got two scrapper brumbies, one had air. So reluctantly grabbed the evapourator out of that... Well it was fully charged with gas! I have my own shop and air con liscense so that's all covered. So it holds pressure, bingo that was a good start.

Pulled it out, looked pretty clean. Gave it a blow out, a clean with some wheel cleaner, washed it and put it in.

I haven't been able to locate a new reciever/drier :(

Vacuumed it down: It held vacuum.

Then charged it: Oh boy, was the compressor noisy at first. Kept charging it.... it quietened right down.

Then all I had to do was renew the vacuum line to the idle up actuator, which was siezed, so I freed that up.

Set the idle speed and idle up speed.

Then I checked the cabin temp......

It runs down to 5 degrees, then cuts out, cutting back in just under 10 degrees. That's text book for me, couldn't ask any better.....

Soooooo happy.

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Post by El_Freddo » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:38 pm

That's awesome.

I still have to fix the AC in my brumby and Sunnie the Brumby needs a re-gas. I think it's got a leaking O ring some where...

I'd also like to do my L series - it was awesome having AC in that thing! It was working really well but now is not so good in warm weather. In winter it was good for demisting purposes but that's about it. I also want to replace the compressor as mine is noisy, possibly the front bearing.

I probably won't get around to any of that on the account of $$$s involved. L series and my brumby were running HiChill. Very nice and I'm happy to run it - I've read people's theories about the dangers etc.

Thanks for the update SS!

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Post by Suby Spanner » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:34 pm

The hydrocarbon gases are hugely mis-understood. Could it be there is too much money involved in importing the synthetic R134A.... Just saying....

Anyways, so most cars hold 200 or 300 grams of hydrocarbon gas...about the same as a deordorant can....and how many people have them rolling around under seats, with out a thought?

Or station wagons with a 90L tank in the rear......

So 200 gram is nothing.

And the stuff stinks! On purpose, so you can smell it.

For years they scared everyone saying it's flammable... But how many recorded fires? None.

How many R134A fires? It was 3 or 4 IIRC... But R134a isn't flammable right, so hows there a fire? Because the system is under pressure, and it's got lubricating oil in it, so when it bursts, there's a huge oil spray.... and if it's ignited...

there has since been a hydrocarbon fire in a truck, but it wasn't one fault, there were at least two. I can't remember exactly the problems, but I think they found it was over charged, the front cooling fan wasn't working (so the pressure was sky high) and I think it burst the tx valve or evaporator under the dash, and something sparked it.

I like the hydrocarbon in old systems, it runs at low pressure, is really efficient. So it doesn't stress system like R134a does. Where it does fall down, is it's a smaller molecule, so it leaks far easier than R134a, and in some cases, the rubber hoses are actually porous to it, so it's of no use in them.

Hydrocarbon gas is commonly used in commercial system, eg supermarkets and cold stores, and with power prices going the way they are, it will likely increase.

Time will tell with my brumby, but so far the a/c is looking good.

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Post by Silverbullet » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:09 am

What did you charge your system with Spanner? Are the "dreaded" hydrocarbon mixtures still readily available?

Just interested in this stuff for when the time comes to get the A/C charged in my wagon, being an old R12(?) system but also has a sticker on it somewhere that says "converted for use with R134A" Dunno if that means anything at all or is just a misleading gimmick.
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Post by Suby Spanner » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:52 am

I used Hydrocarbon, it was Hychill minus 30, not sure what the numbers mean, I focus on pressure and performance.

Yes, readily available, over the counter, and even in Aerosol cans for DIY.

Like I said, it runs at lower pressure and is way more efficient, only draw back is the small molecule size, so if it leaks out and you can't find a leak, it's probably the hoses are porous. In that case R134a it is, at the risk of higher pressure.

Retrofitting R12 to R134A just means changing the oil in the compressor (not everyone even did that!) and then fitting the R134A quick charge,dry break fittings to stop leaking when connecting/disconnecting. So nothing basically.

My rule is, modern cars ~2000 onwards recharge with R134a, in R12 systems, hydrocarbon, and the years between discuss with owner.

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Post by Suby Spanner » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:53 am

Just looked at hychill site, that lists what the numbers mean.

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Post by Suby Spanner » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:57 pm

OT: who was the member witch access to suby parts or worked at a suby dealer? Trying to work out what oil goes in the wifes impreza gearbox. The owner manuals got stolen (along with our binoculars), I've got a replacement set of books, but not sure if they suit our year.

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Post by Silverbullet » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:01 pm

Suby Spanner wrote:OT: who was the member witch access to suby parts or worked at a suby dealer? Trying to work out what oil goes in the wifes impreza gearbox. The owner manuals got stolen (along with our binoculars), I've got a replacement set of books, but not sure if they suit our year.
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Post by Suby Spanner » Wed May 02, 2018 11:36 pm

Thought it's time to do some work on her again. Front struts...

There are some gabriels available.... and genuine still. A pair of genuine height adjustable shocks are now on their way to me :)

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Post by El_Freddo » Thu May 03, 2018 8:19 pm

Nice, I was about to say that previously a number of forum members didn't have much luck with gabriels on their lifted rides.

I must say though, I've ended up putting a set of front struts on my sister's liberty last year and they're going fine. It's a road going vehicle anyway.

Pretty good you managed to get the height adjustable units still!

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Post by Suby Spanner » Sat May 05, 2018 9:30 pm

Is anyone willing to part with one of the plastic rings used on the sport 13inch wheels to locate the hub cap? I have three, and they are no longer available new.

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Post by Bantum » Fri May 11, 2018 2:21 am

Can 3D print one ... :)

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1024984

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Post by Suby Spanner » Sun May 13, 2018 9:49 pm

Bantum: When I googled, that's one of the first things that comes up!

I don't have a 3d printer, was going to see if you want to run a few up for me, but then I remembered I kid I had do work experience for me jut bought one. I'll see if he's up for a challenge.

:)

What carpet is everyone fitting to their suby's? Plush, loop?? other? Open to all ideas.

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Post by El_Freddo » Sat May 19, 2018 8:30 pm

We got something like this in Sunnie the Brumby:

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Moulded-Car ... SwkaZZdUmn

It was a bit cheaper than that. Use some nice mats to reduce wear.

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Keep your factory floor liner under it or add some underlay to help with sound deadening, works a treat and adds a bit of luxury to your ute ;)

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Re: 89 Targa Brumby

Post by Suby Spanner » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:55 pm

Had a bit more time to mess around:

Well, the air con still works well, so I'm good there with no leaks: Winner.

I've got genuine front bush's coming. Really prefer rubber than plastic.

Got a new windscreen rubber here, and the carpet and underlay have also arrived.

Got a new engine stay/support bush set (the one to the spare tyre well) coming also.

Not sure when I'll tackle this rust issue, but now for the question:

It's an 89 red targa: Even subaru can't tell me the colour code: It's either
946 Rio red
or
726 Splendor red

Anyone know?

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Re: 89 Targa Brumby

Post by El_Freddo » Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:22 pm

Can you find the colour code sticker under the bonnet? It’s usually somewhere on the edge of the engine bay or on top of the upper radiator support panel.

I’ll have to go check mine and compare notes - it’s a red targa.

I recently saw a new XV with the red I want to respray my brumby in - but need to get it “good” in the body department first! And find time to strip it out and go through all the proper respray work to get it right (and awesome) the first time round.

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Re: 89 Targa Brumby

Post by Suby Spanner » Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:55 am

Thanks Bennie. I can't see a colour sticker anywhere :(

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