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Post by TOONGA » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:37 pm

So guess what I didn't check ... ever since the conversion was done.

I assumed they were fine as the fuel pump worked but I will let the picture tell the story

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car is starting and running without a problem :)

I'm a goose.

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Post by Subydoug » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:38 pm

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Post by TOONGA » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:50 pm

Seems there are two 20 amp fuses that take the power to the relay for fuel pump.
I have not followed the wiring but the fuses were in rubber fuse holders. I had to pry them out of the caps two new fuses later and my "possessed" vortex is running again.

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Post by steptoe » Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:52 am

Slap yourself on the back for nutting it out on your own Jules. These must have been part of the conversion electricals ? I think 99.9% of us are guilty of not updating a handbook on conversion, so zip to refer to when chasing ghouls and demons. Though, my Brumbys are starting to read like those dodgy aftermarket parts books that reckon any Brumby after 1985 has a timing belt kit and other EA82 stuff :p

I used to part #'s on underside of bonnet.

Have you seen those fuses that supposedly light up a built in LED ? when they blow ? Jaycar had them at twice price of a std blade fuse. Still be no good inside a dark fuse holder :(
Did the fuse break or blow ? Chasing cause or leave that until next time ?

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Post by TOONGA » Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:39 am

Yeah ... I went back in this thread and found I posted first about this problem on the 19th of October. in hindsight I wish I had checked them first :) it would've been a lot cheaper :rolleyes:



Mind you I now have :

a new timing kit

The coolant temp sender (new)

the knock sensor (new)

the crank angle sensor (working second hand unit)

the cam angle sensor (working second hand unit)

the igniter (working second hand unit)

the coil pack (working second hand unit)

the afm (working second hand unit)

the O2 sensor (working second hand unit) (new one coming from THE USA)

the ECU (working second hand unit) ( I have 3 different years to choose from :rolleyes:)

ALL with spares (apart from the timing kit)

If I was really worried I suppose I could get another TPS as well :rolleyes:

I wonder what other fuses I can find under there today :)


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Post by El_Freddo » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:42 pm

Well that turned out to be a "cheap fix" then..!

Of all the things a fuse or two. Good to know those rubber seal fuse holders aren't so good and that I've got my fuses in a little panel behind the glove box ;)

I take it Jetcar is still motoring along now? Just asking :rolleyes:

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Post by TOONGA » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:52 pm

El_Freddo wrote:Well that turned out to be a "cheap fix" then..!

Of all the things a fuse or two. Good to know those rubber seal fuse holders aren't so good and that I've got my fuses in a little panel behind the glove box ;)

I take it Jetcar is still motoring along now? Just asking :rolleyes:

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Yeah rather annoying in the end but hey I now have spares for all the electrics apart from the TPS :)

I think that when I went from the standard Subaru EFI pump to an AFTER market Ebay job the higher fuel pump PSI meant a bigger pump motor which made for way more draw on the electronics. and the extra heat made the little rubber covers fuse cookers.

I gave a V8 ford a run for its money the other morning, I think he was in shock that this noisy old subaru just dissapeared away from him at the lights.
He ended roaring past me once I got to the speed limit he didn't look very happy at all.

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Post by El_Freddo » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:00 pm

^ Gold.

He was probably wondering what this door wedge thing was the blew him off from the lights :twisted:

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Post by RSR 555 » Sat May 02, 2015 11:28 pm

TOONGA wrote: A fishing Party (fishing for CC's when I got there)

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From memory (and looking at the sea state) fishing wasn't worth it :)
steptoe wrote:Slap yourself on the back for nutting it out on your own Jules.
Slap? I thing more of a pat would be better :P
steptoe wrote:These must have been part of the conversion electricals ?
Yeah they were but with the standard pump, they are fine. I've got them in many conversions and still going strong.
steptoe wrote:Did the fuse break or blow ? Chasing cause or leave that until next time ?
No, they didn't blow otherwise we could have found it earlier.. no power to fuel pump would have been a dead give away.

Cause is the power draw of the aftermarket HP pump which draws more than the EA82 EFI pump. Plus the wire isn't melted, just the holders, so this tells me the connection joints between the connector and the fuse aren't suited for the aftermarket pump.
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Post by TOONGA » Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:17 am

I have a question for the other vortex owners on the board.

Remembering my vortex is an 87-88 built model so I'm pretty sure it may have the pre 88 harness. as well It no longer has the factory boat anchor under the bonnet.

Picture a coldish winter morning 1-3 degrees celcius and the windscreen is wet but it isn't raining. You use the wiper stalk with the window washer on the steering column to clear the wet windscreen.

the wiper works it does the required sweeps and then the annoying little hidden @#$%^&* RELAY from the sound in the passenger side of the dash goes crazy and clicks like a drunk cricket. The only way I can stop the wipers is if I use the intermittent function on the wiper controls.

WHERE is that @#$%^&* RELAY!!!!!

I have 4 in the space behind where the radio once lived (it wasn't in the broken dash mounting when I got the car) and I've replaced all of them with good working original subaru relays is it one of them or like the brumby is there one stuffed behind something that needs most of the dash removed to get at it.

The FSM I have is American and for the 89 model. the wiring diagram and trouble shooting guide refers to a computer module that works with the speed sensor I know I don't have that computer module as I have a sliding rheostat (yep a rheostat) that controls the wiper speed.

WHERE is that @#$%^&* RELAY!!!!!

If I need to replace it HOW MANY PINS DOES that @#$%^&* RELAY HAVE!!!!!

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Post by Nubaru » Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:25 am

wiper INT relay in a diagram for older EA82 stuff, looks like Vortex dash calls it i25 , is blue and 13 pole plug, right dang smack central behind radio above the hump and must be near the four relays ?
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Post by TOONGA » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:15 pm

Nubaru wrote:wiper INT relay in a diagram for older EA82 stuff, looks like Vortex dash calls it i25 , is blue and 13 pole plug, right dang smack central behind radio above the hump and must be near the four relays ?
What year?

Got a diagram? either electrical wiring or where in the dash.


The 4 relays are below the radio just above the hump.

It would be much appreciated.

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Post by Nubaru » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:24 am

look for a poo brown box (unless you eat too much licorice) ...imagine a pack of 30 fags .... chop the top 1/3 off and that is the size of cricket you are looking for and from memory is a double screwed bracket and is in the middle near those relays on the earlier XT's so it is possible yours is hidden down behind left rear side pocket :D

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Post by TOONGA » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:33 pm

So I found it :( thanks for the info Nubaru

I had to remove the passenger seat to get to the screw on that side as it wouldn't budge... so much fun.

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mine is a pooish blue colour with 17 pins

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One of the 3 relays inside is unhappy. The relay cover is heat deformed which I guess means it has had a hard life :) and the blue plastic the module is housed in seems to be from the same batch that was used to make the self-destructing dash surrounds :(

The only replacement I can find it for a later model SVX with the same pin configuration but as it is in America the postage is twice the cost of the part :(

Does anyone have one they want to sell.

Mine appears to be repairable but I don't even know if I could still get the replacement relay and it could be that one of the 2 microprocessors is faulty as well.

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Dry Joints ...

Post by Bantum » Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:33 pm

Probably suffering from 'dry joints' - I'd take it apart & resolder them ... ;)

And while you have it apart, check the relays for correct movement & corrosion.

Cheers, Bantum ...

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