L series front end improvements
Since I have a backlog of pics and info
This was the last alignment I had around 2 yrs ago, before any of the front or rear end suspension was altered
This was the results of the alignment 2 days ago with all the changes to the front and rear within the last few months!
I was invited by the mechanic to come back and show him want I was wanting. He also didnt know the L series had rear camber and toe adjustment until I showed him.
I will keep an eye on tyre wear in the few weeks and report back to that wheel aligner mechanic. He certainly was enthusiastic about what I wanted and the attention to details I have applied to this car.
In all I have finally had the rear wheel alignment adjusted after years of driving around with the RH rear having + camber and the LH having - camber like some sort of NASCAR.
Also the front end is taughter than ever, and sharper on turn in. That said I need a lot more drive time and some wet familiar roads to learn more
So far though it has been worth it.
I should also mention for any who dont know. Using a Gen1 Lib master cylinder (Non ABS of course) gives a distinctly different brake pedal feel and experience to using the standard L series M/C - all other things being more or less equal.
J.
This was the last alignment I had around 2 yrs ago, before any of the front or rear end suspension was altered
This was the results of the alignment 2 days ago with all the changes to the front and rear within the last few months!
I was invited by the mechanic to come back and show him want I was wanting. He also didnt know the L series had rear camber and toe adjustment until I showed him.
I will keep an eye on tyre wear in the few weeks and report back to that wheel aligner mechanic. He certainly was enthusiastic about what I wanted and the attention to details I have applied to this car.
In all I have finally had the rear wheel alignment adjusted after years of driving around with the RH rear having + camber and the LH having - camber like some sort of NASCAR.
Also the front end is taughter than ever, and sharper on turn in. That said I need a lot more drive time and some wet familiar roads to learn more
So far though it has been worth it.
I should also mention for any who dont know. Using a Gen1 Lib master cylinder (Non ABS of course) gives a distinctly different brake pedal feel and experience to using the standard L series M/C - all other things being more or less equal.
J.
What kind of bushes did you use in the control arms and what is your opinion of them?
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# Vortex Radio, # RHD Vortex 4speed auto digital dash,
# RH-Side parking (86+) Vortex wiper transmission,
# EA82 AWD 4EAT,
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# Vortex Main Dash Surround / Bezel ANY COLOUR,
# Vortex Radio, # RHD Vortex 4speed auto digital dash,
# RH-Side parking (86+) Vortex wiper transmission,
# EA82 AWD 4EAT,
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did you use the 'cartridge type' or the '2 halves' type?
are you going to use the super pro Castor Rod bushes as well?
are you going to use the super pro Castor Rod bushes as well?
The trading corner : the stuff that I need ATM -
# Vortex Main Dash Surround / Bezel ANY COLOUR,
# Vortex Radio, # RHD Vortex 4speed auto digital dash,
# RH-Side parking (86+) Vortex wiper transmission,
# EA82 AWD 4EAT,
If you have them please PM me
# Vortex Main Dash Surround / Bezel ANY COLOUR,
# Vortex Radio, # RHD Vortex 4speed auto digital dash,
# RH-Side parking (86+) Vortex wiper transmission,
# EA82 AWD 4EAT,
If you have them please PM me
How do the castor rod bushes fit? They look like they are flat instead of domed like the OE ones?
(Sorry to be a pain BTW, just trying to do my research)
(Sorry to be a pain BTW, just trying to do my research)
The trading corner : the stuff that I need ATM -
# Vortex Main Dash Surround / Bezel ANY COLOUR,
# Vortex Radio, # RHD Vortex 4speed auto digital dash,
# RH-Side parking (86+) Vortex wiper transmission,
# EA82 AWD 4EAT,
If you have them please PM me
# Vortex Main Dash Surround / Bezel ANY COLOUR,
# Vortex Radio, # RHD Vortex 4speed auto digital dash,
# RH-Side parking (86+) Vortex wiper transmission,
# EA82 AWD 4EAT,
If you have them please PM me
- discopotato03
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When I had Ellie the RX Turbo I went to a lot of trouble to reverse Subarus ideas of positive camber and negative caster .
Generally people look for lots of negative camber because they think its the racer setup .
Neutral or a smidge of positive camber and a swag of positive caster is what works best because both front wheels lean away from the apex of the corner giving better grip and turn in .
Using more static negative camber with neutral or negative caster improves grip on the outside wheel but reduces it on the apex or inside one because the negative camber leans the wheel in the wrong direction in relation to body roll . This shows up as inside tyre wear .
L series also fight you because the holes in the strut tops aren't big enough to allow you to move the strut tops inwards / backwards enough . Even if you could the springs would hit the tower wells so need smaller diameter springs and seats .
As you know you have to do something at the control arm and our answer was to cut and shut two pairs of arms to make one longer pair .
It gets involved because then the sway bar arm mounts move further out which over stresses the link plates .
Without expensive body mods you can make an L better but probably not ideal .
A std worn L is diabolical but reducing the body roll and doing what you can up front makes a significant difference .
Lowering makes the handling worse because of the geometry changes at lower ride heights .
A .
Generally people look for lots of negative camber because they think its the racer setup .
Neutral or a smidge of positive camber and a swag of positive caster is what works best because both front wheels lean away from the apex of the corner giving better grip and turn in .
Using more static negative camber with neutral or negative caster improves grip on the outside wheel but reduces it on the apex or inside one because the negative camber leans the wheel in the wrong direction in relation to body roll . This shows up as inside tyre wear .
L series also fight you because the holes in the strut tops aren't big enough to allow you to move the strut tops inwards / backwards enough . Even if you could the springs would hit the tower wells so need smaller diameter springs and seats .
As you know you have to do something at the control arm and our answer was to cut and shut two pairs of arms to make one longer pair .
It gets involved because then the sway bar arm mounts move further out which over stresses the link plates .
Without expensive body mods you can make an L better but probably not ideal .
A std worn L is diabolical but reducing the body roll and doing what you can up front makes a significant difference .
Lowering makes the handling worse because of the geometry changes at lower ride heights .
A .
What kind of camber adjustment bolts are they in the front crossmember? Have they been removed from the rear of a Impreza or Liberty, or is it a kit you can purchase?
The trading corner : the stuff that I need ATM -
# Vortex Main Dash Surround / Bezel ANY COLOUR,
# Vortex Radio, # RHD Vortex 4speed auto digital dash,
# RH-Side parking (86+) Vortex wiper transmission,
# EA82 AWD 4EAT,
If you have them please PM me
# Vortex Main Dash Surround / Bezel ANY COLOUR,
# Vortex Radio, # RHD Vortex 4speed auto digital dash,
# RH-Side parking (86+) Vortex wiper transmission,
# EA82 AWD 4EAT,
If you have them please PM me