Sigh , still not getting the message across .
So according to you any and all "boxes" can do the same thing based on the same settings , no oxygen there .
To OEM spec cars , OEM state of tune does not take into account someone driving the thing in a competitive manner because that's not what production cars are set up to do . The fact that someone may want to alter its mapping assumes that there is the ability to do so meaning flashing late systems or using aftermarket management .
If you take option 2 you're highly unlikely going to have the mapping exactly the same as the manufacturer did because the green police aren't there to see the tuning .
What I want to know is if you have the same car/engine/computer why does the tune have to make the engine a cranky pig ? Idle/low load/cruise load mapping doesn't have to give choppy running in order for the engine to lift its skirts at wide open throttle running .
Exotic fuels open up a completely new set of circumstances and while I have mentioned an interest in E85 the only reliable source at Rozelle is not just down the road from me so not going to be a permanent arrangement .
Blind Freddy can see that fuels with completely different heat values are not going to be able to be run with the same mapping , not without lunching something anyway .
The wank factor . Well Ray Hall and his re branding of the Link G4 Storm or Extreme to Vipec V44 and V88 is irrelevant to me . I don't get involved beyond learning of a products abilities and suitability and my aims .
You will never see a brand sticker on my car/s and its handy that the 4WD Turbo RX decals on the side have been polished virtually white by previous owners .
I have a policy when I buy expensive gadgets and that's usually to go a little better than I possibly need mainly because it saves doing it twice if the first effort falls short . Cheaper in the long run .
Now the tuners I've spoken to all reckon the computer I like does it all nicely and is a breeze to set up , they didn't have anything glowing to say about Haltechs and universally everyone relegates Microtec to the bottom feeder level .
Now you can pay a bit more for a system that goes in nicely and is straightforward to tune - or you can buy something a bit cheaper and cop larger tune bills because the alternate box takes more time to punch the figures and end up with an acceptable tune .
The feller who will tune this thing I have known from a distance for - must be about 10-11 years and also comes highly recommended by someone from the Skyline following who's used his services and likes his style . SK if you know his nickname .
Dam shame not coughing up retail and still will cost a tidy sum of money , no don't ask .
My opinions and findings are exactly that , maybe in future I shouldn't think out loud with a keyboard and keep the results to myself .
If I have a win great and if I don't tough .
Yes agreeing to differ , that is the civilised approach .
To each their own , cheers A .
A "link" from NZEFI just in case anyone wants to see the specs or is just curious .
http://www.nzefi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28