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Post by BlackMale » Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:16 pm

Subafury wrote:also remember to brace your bonnet catch with another bracket as the bonnet will wiggle up and down at speed.
Good to know Matt i had not though about that although i had though about securing the WAIC rad to it however if its not secured firmly in the front apron then this might not be a good option either - hmm.

Well I got 15minutes of time out in the garage this afternoon to fiddle with the WAIC.

The following is a series of pictures where I have been able to remove the last of the air-to-air intake and move the WAIC unit around to see where it could be located.

The reason why it was sitting to high in the engine bay is that I still have the heat shield and bar still in the car (I assume that other without lift had removed this item?) You can see from the pictures it was ridiculously high.

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On the spare wheel shelf.
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Ideal WAIC Unit placement thus far appears to be with the rear of the unit just on the shelf and then I’ll have to fab up a little bracket and mount the heat shield onto the bottom (RHS) of the unit.

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After AndrewT’s post about not having to drill holes I freaked thinking that I knew I should have waited to do this until final unit placement of the unit had been decided however after placing the WAIC unit in each position my only real option for the hoses to run is a few centimeters further (and backward) to the new hole and along the wheel arch. It would appear that if its not going there then its above the dizzy and beside the engine and this is not something I wanted. The saga continues...
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Post by Gannon » Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:21 pm

I dont have a photo to show it, but my intercooler sat just in front of the wheel holder. I just had to give the very corner (of the wheel holder) a hit with a hammer to stop it rubbing.
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Post by BlackMale » Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:27 pm

Suparoo wrote:I dont have a photo to show it, but my intercooler sat just in front of the wheel holder. I just had to give the very corner (of the wheel holder) a hit with a hammer to stop it rubbing.
Well COM'N Gannon this is what i want a photo of then!!! :-D LOL its all good buddy.
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Post by AndrewT » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:13 am

How come the heater hose runs all the way from one side of the engine bay to the other? Is it just resting there temporarily or is that roughly the route it will be taking? Should be able to keep it all on the passenger side of the engine bay unless im missing something.
I'll post some photos up of my setup for you this afternoon.

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Post by Gannon » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:08 pm

Ok i took some photos

This is the engine bay at the moment
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This is a shot front on
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This is a shot from the side to show how close i mounted it to the wheel holder
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This shows the metal pipes i have running past the battery
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Can you rotate the compressor housing on your turbo so it faces like mine, then you only need the original plastic turbo to IC elbow (or a 2" silicone bend) to join them up.

As for silicone parts, i got all mine from here Enthaily Wholesale - Blue Silicone parts
The prices are the cheapest i could find.
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Post by Suby Wan Kenobi » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:18 pm

I cannot find a close up pic of the mounting showing how it sat without having to cut in anywhere. But the IC front sat at the rear of the engine looking down from above. I cannot take any other pics as the whole setup has changed with the fitment of the spidey
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Post by BlackMale » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:24 pm

Cheers SWK. Its all good and if i get back to Bris and i get near you i''d love a look sometime.

Suparoo, yer that's going to be similar WAIC unit placement to mine however i'll have to show you where i am going to run the rad lines... actually you can see from yours its going to run near the a/c lines (where they enter the fire wall) kinda on the same direction as your garden hose, and up n right next to the wiper motor only mine will not double back there it will continue on through the wheel arch (i can get a pic however the hole is not very professional - most bodge thing on the car by a long way thus far). It will re-enter right where you have that solenoid looking thing only to disapear out of the engine bay again around the LHS light.

Thanks for the link - i'll have a look however i have found a great rubber hose place here in Perth and they have been exceptionally cheep and very helpful (how cheep, well that blue 90 degree bend cost me about $12 last time i brought 1 = score). Just ha d alook at the link and realised that may require this afterall as my bloke may not sell a "reducer pipe".

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Post by BlackMale » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:04 pm

Suparoo wrote: Here is my pump
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3. Outed or not, i used the factory RS bov cos the plastic elbow had the pipe for it. I really dont think it makes a difference where you put it. It also gives it a sorta factory appearance.

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Hey WTF!?!?!
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Post by BlackMale » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:28 pm

Sorry i am starting to feel like a post whore on my own thread?!

After thought (howver it may be a poor 1)...
Gannon it looks like you have a reduction tube on here.
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On the engine side what if i (stay with me here) i kept the original size pipe, without the reduction in it, and then just increased the diameter of the pipe on the engine by leaving some of the old pipe on there and then clamping the new pipe over the old (i am only talking about a few mm so i can clamp on it as apposed to a few inches of overlap). So what you reckon?
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Post by Gannon » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:49 pm

BlackMale wrote:On the engine side what if i kept the original size pipe, without the reduction in it, and then just increased the diameter of the pipe on the engine by leaving some of the old pipe on there and then clamping the new pipe over the old
I think i considered that, but the idle up soleniod is too close and wont allow for 2 layers of pipe
BlackMale wrote: Hey WTF!?!?!
What part of my response are you questioning?

If you need more detailed pics, i have my car back so i can take more tomorrow
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Post by BlackMale » Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:39 pm

Suparoo wrote:I think i considered that, but the idle up soleniod is too close and wont allow for 2 layers of pipe
Its still light here so i'll attempt to get out there for a look.
Suparoo wrote:What part of my response are you questioning?
The pictures that were there have now become little red x's there were pictures there however now there is nothing (hence my WTF).
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Post by Gannon » Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:51 pm

I did a clean up of my ausubaru coppermine images, i didnt realise i deleted the ones in this post.
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Post by AndrewT » Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:45 am

Heres the pics I said I'd take of my setup.
The intercooler heat exchanger mounts in the stock EJ position, some of the little ledge near the spare wheel well had to be cut away but not that much, hard to see in the pics but it clears it now, doesn't hit.
From the intercooler heat exchanger, the inlet and outlet hoses go onto the standard metal pipes that come with it (in my case bolted to the stock position on the inlet manifold - under the bosch coils in the photo). Then down near the battery, one of the hoses runs through a standard access hole in the passenger side of the engine bay and into the IC pump. The pump is mounted in the passenger side wheel well in front of the wheel (the standard RS mounting position). The other side of the pump hose comes out another standard access hole down below, above the front lower apron at the front of the car, tucks nicely behind the horn, then goes into the intercooler radiator. The other hose comes out of the intercooler radiator and goes through the standard hole where the L series headlight mounts (there is just enough room for it to squeeze past the light). Then it just connects back to the other standard metal pipe and goes back up to the heat exhanger. Hopefully you can make out it's route in the pics.

But yeah, in your case Craig the actual mounting of the heat exchanger should be the only customising for you to do - and I don't know how much room you have with the EA82 there but surely you'd have a little more than me with my EJ? Also the mounting of the metal pipes...the EA82 manifold obviously won't have the standard mounting points on it - I guess you don't really need to use these pipes anyway but it does make things look nice and neat.

The rest of it should be able to mount roughly like mine which hasn't required any cutting of the body at all. I think I just needed to drill 1 hole where the intercooler pump bolts through the side of the engine bay - it mounts with 2 bolts and I used one pre-existing hole.

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hope this helps

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Post by Gannon » Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:13 am

Awww, thats cheating

You've got an EJ engine
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Post by BlackMale » Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:10 pm

Cheers Andrew however i do have to agree with Suparoo (its just not quite the same :-().
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Post by AndrewT » Sat Feb 07, 2009 2:41 pm

Yes I agree too, just like I said, the heat exchanger mounting would be the only difference. The rest of it the mounting and heater hose routing options between our two cars are identical.

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Post by BlackMale » Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:36 pm

Update is few and far between as i have just been way to freaken busy.
Subafury wrote:also remember to brace your bonnet catch with another bracket as the bonnet will wiggle up and down at speed.
Cheers Matt. As i tend to use Fuji parts whenever i can get em i have ben able to hit the original bracket with the grinder, cut the ribs off and insert it back between the radiators - it did make the WAIC rad stick out about 2mm on the RHS however i can live with that as its not going to move.

I do have a newbe question though and that is what is the direction of water travel through the WAIC?

AT this stage i THINK i have the water traveling from the radiator into the end of the pump and out through the bottom then towards the WAIC unit - this bit kinda seems logical (take cool water back to WAIC Unit) so i hope its correct.

However does it matter which way it flows through the unit itself? Should the cooler water be traveling IN the front or rear pipe on the WAIC?

Also am i to assume that i can run an engine anti freeze/boil coolant in there as well?

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Post by AndrewT » Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:32 pm

Use normal coolant like you put in the engine.

If in doubt of how to plumb it up....just do it like Subaru do. It always works best :)
The stock hoses should have flow direction arrows on them but you may be missing these hoses.

Here are some diagrams and general WAIC service info from a Legacy workshop manual;

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll11 ... inWA/1.jpg
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http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll11 ... inWA/4.jpg
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Hope this helps.

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Post by BlackMale » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:44 pm

Cheers AndrewT, as I said factory/Fuji is best that is exactly the information I was looking for. However I still have a question… I am yet to read all the fine print from you links however have you noticed that link 1 and link 5 are actually plumed up differently?

Not having access to an EJ with a WAIC does someone want to tell me which method is correct?
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Post by AndrewT » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:17 am

Well spotted, I hadn't noticed that.
Just checked my car, - for 1 example the connector at the TOP of the front radiator goes to the REAR connector on the heat exchanger. The direction of flow is from the radiator to the heat exchanger. Mine seems to work correctly.

Yeah definitely best to check on a stock RS to be certain, hopefully someone posts up :)

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