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Post by T'subaru » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:59 am

well done :cool:
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Post by steptoe » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:45 am

anyone else getting a case of I wants ?? Lotta fun there in five minutes !!

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Post by guyph_01 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:38 am

:D. It is So much fun...

Also....


Since ive seen the guys on the stand up ski's, I've always wanted to find a cheap stand up jet ski and see if its as much fun as my xp
I finally found one....
Basically found this kawasaki 550 js for $400.
It had been sitting for a year after the owner had a motobike crash and now needs a hip replacement and can't do shit anymore... I got there and it wouldn't turn over:( the owner went to get his mate that had apparently rebuilt the motor with new machined head, machined crank, new bearings and bored to new bigger pistons with full gaskets costing about $1000+ about 1.5 to 2 years ago. So the 'mech' friend too the starter apart but nothing. We then took the engine off and turns out it was the pump/prop area that has seized.
Hooked up the starter to a battery and did a compression test. Got 200psi in each cyl. I remember you said it should be about 130psi. Would this be because of the new pistons? Or is that way too much??


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Already gave the engine compartment a clean. unfortunately no before pic but just picture about 10-20 years of oil, grease, sand and salt in there.
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The owner also talked about the stop button didn't work in the few last runs he had with the ski. I noticed this plug un-hooked. Followed the wire and it goes in the center arm. thst could be the cause i guess.
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The plan is Hopefully to put it back together with a guy i met over the seadoo forum and get it running, then maybe some cosmetic work to it.

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Post by El_Freddo » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:03 pm

I reckon you'll love the stand up and be moving the sit down on to a new owner!

I've always wanted to have a go at a stand up jetski - apparently they're the bomb especially in some mild waves off shore :twisted:

I hope the prop is easy to fix. They're one of those items that does need replacing from time to time - but I'd reckon it's the shaft's bearing rather than the prop itself. The seal probably developed a leak and let water into the bearing - sitting there has allowed it to rust and lock.

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Post by guyph_01 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:17 pm

Some pics of the engine. Not the ej ones at the back:p Lol revealing the treasures in my shed!!!

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Ok so today i took the pump out. Man i never had to take a Seadoo apart but taking the engine out and the pump on this kawasaki was so easy. Took me like 15min or less to get the whole pump unit out.

Also gave the exterior a clean
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Anyway i think i know why its seized and i have a bad feeling the pump is ****ed.
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There is a bulge in the housing. And theres no chance this can be bent back to shape.
Anyway so went to the guy that helped me at Seadoo here and he said its gonna cost about $600 to machine out the bulge and re-weld/manufacture the prop to suit.
I'm thinking of getting a whole second hand pump from the states in average good condition.

Need to pm minnetonka4me or 99spxxx on the seeadoo forum and see what they have. Complete pump units sell for about 70-180 over there.

From what one of the guys is saying on the other forum
"The gap on the pump is HUGE !!! You won't be going anywhere with that. Back in the day... Skat-Trak use to make oversized impellers, and it looks like that pump was bored for one... and then someone put in a std size. (It's too clean to just be warn)"

I'm guessing the over boring allowed the corrosion built up between the sleeve and the casing.
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Post by d_generate » Tue May 01, 2012 1:49 am

So can't you bore and re-sleeve it with a nice big sleeve so it's closer to the impeller.
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Post by guyph_01 » Tue May 01, 2012 2:46 am

yes but apparently its $600 that i'm not spending.
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Post by d_generate » Tue May 01, 2012 5:24 pm

Find the right size alloy pipe and hammer it in there after you file the bumps off, do some measurements and check if there is an alloy pipe made in the same diameter then go to a scrap ferrous metal dealer and see what they have, Seagull just bought a pile of scrap tubing around that size from a scrappie.
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Post by Matt » Wed May 02, 2012 6:35 pm

PM the year model, there is second hand dealers on the East Side. I work as a jetski mechanic and can usual get stuff stupid cheap :)
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Post by guyph_01 » Wed May 02, 2012 8:13 pm

Matt wrote:PM the year model, there is second hand dealers on the East Side. I work as a jetski mechanic and can usual get stuff stupid cheap :)
OHHHH Great:p
Pm sent:)
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Post by guyph_01 » Wed May 02, 2012 8:17 pm

Ok Matt,

First thx for the offer:)
I'm not sure about the year. I was told it should be the last two number on the tag plate. The license one has 06 on it lol. no way. it must be late 80's. where would i find the factory plate?

would you know if i need to align the engine, shaft, and pump when i put it all back in??

So i took the pump apart and found that its got a skat-trak prop. Is that a good pitch?? How can i tell if its worn? measurements?
It turns fine, no movement and i think the bearings inside are fine. Do those things have oil in there like on the seadoo?
If i can find out if the prop is not worn, does this mean i only need the pump case housing?

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This is the bump in the housing

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This is the nozzle pump case housing, This would be fine to use again right?

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Also took some pics of the carby. I need to know what it is so i can buy the kit and jets.
It says Keihin 807-1 on one side and 495 on the other.

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Post by Matt » Wed May 02, 2012 10:08 pm

Why can't they be a simple Mikuni Carbie instead of a Keihin! lol :)

I have seen way worse wear rings then that, it still got 50 hours in it, well according to some customers...As for the prop the best way to tell is to measure the cleanance between the prop and a good wear ring and go from there. But looking at the pic it doesn't look to bad at all.
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Post by guyph_01 » Thu May 03, 2012 12:48 am

Matt, pm sent.

The prop doesn't look too bad but if you look at post 80 on page 8 you will see the gap is huge... 2mm +-. Thats why i'm worried that the prop is worn.

Also from the US forum i was told i could get the steering cable, complete pump assembly and tether for $240. I would still need the other bits and about 70-100 postage. This is better than the $600 quote to get the prop and wear ring sorted here!!

I hope you can find some stuff for me and help me save me some coins:p
Again thank you very very much for your time and help.
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Post by guyph_01 » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:21 am

Hey guys,

Little update. Got some parts. A huge thx to 99spxxx and Matt For sending me a good Pump, and a new steering cable.
Bolted those parts to the ski. I hope i did it right as its been a while since i took it apart. but seemed straight forward.
A few pics...

My new cable installed:) Thx Matt

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The pump... Thx 99Spxxx

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Now the main issues/worry (maybe Matt can help:wink:
I'm not sure how this part is called but i guess its holds the shaft in place and acts as a seal to prevent water from getting in.
From the pic below you will see some sand in the hole with the bearing.
Two questions,
1, Should i replace the bearing and seal? what are they called and where can i get it if it needs replacing.
2, Is there a special way to bolt it back to ensure a water tight seal??
3, Is there a special way to put the shaft back in and would it need balancing/ centering??

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Post by Matt » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:22 pm

Quick response as this is last time i on here for 2 weeks :))))))
1. Yes and they should be standard bearing and seals available at a bearing place. (sorry dont know your local dealer)
2. Marine Silicone, available boat places and even bunnings in the sealant row
3. Technically yes, practically no. Roll the shaft along the ground and check for straightness... you will see if it isnt straight
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82 MY Wagon - EA81T, RS Liberty WIAC, 5 Speed Dual Range, Tuned Suspension, 14" Rims 27" Tyres, 2" Body Lift Kit, Apline Head unit, UHF, Roof Console, L Series seats, Soon to have New Paint, snorkel, Dual batteries, etc
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Post by guyph_01 » Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:58 pm

Ok just a few more pics of the new hull i got, Basically got it so i could make one out of two or maybe get both back going. I'll keep this new 440 hull for mine as its much better and wack all the best parts on it inc the 550rred engine..

The engine it came with. Seems to be a 440 but with the 550 head.

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Stripped it

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And gave it a major clean:)

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This is what the new hull, the 440 looks like:)

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And thats what the garage looks like:)

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Btw, Im looking for a 440 pump or just a gd wear ring, aftermarket 15 to 16 pitch impeller. thx
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Post by guyph_01 » Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:59 pm

Just a little update, Got the prop off 2day. man that was a pain!!!!! After about an hour, some hitting, bashing, heating with a propane gun, impact wrench, plenty of CRC it came out.
Now after all this struggle, should i replace the seals bearing in the holder that holds the shaft?? it doesn't really have any play or noise when rotating. Is it a pain to do?

Also decided to bolt the engine block in the ski, when to lift it by the half exhaust and carby and the part of the block with the barrels came off and the crank part stayed on the floor!!!! DUHHHH Anyway i've ordered new top and bottom copper gaskets so i'll use them once they get here. Everything looks smooth and clean and these no play in the crank, con rod or piston, all feels really tight. but thats from my amateur point of view:)

Now is it ok to leave it like that for 15 day till the parts arrive or should i spray it with something, its winter here.
When i put it all back together, should i "lightly scratch the inside of the barrels?" forgot the term this process is called??
Must i use a sealant with the coper gaskets?

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This is turning out to be very fun and interesting.
I love getting my hands dirty and building cars, bikes, quads and jetski's in this case, properly until they work and are reliable:)
only thing is i wish it didn't cost as much:(
Thx
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Post by olddog642 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:28 am

The hull looks to be in pretty good nick, and the shopping trolly is a very versatile piece of equipment. You are going to need another shed soon.
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Post by guyph_01 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:28 pm

Little update.

Since i can't do much at the moment on the ski as i'm waiting to get the parts i need from the US.

I've decided to make a trailer for the ski's. Mostly with stuff laying around I've come up with this. I can use it as a double jetski trailer if i get both working or take one set of rails "half ladder" and reposition it in the center as its held on by U bolts.
I still need to work out the front winch setup, I want to have one which on something that allows it to move to all three positions, Right, center, left depending if I've got two or one ski on the trailer.
Lol its a bit of a back yard trailer but it should work:)

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Post by guyph_01 » Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:14 am

Just to update this thread,

The trailer was completed and sold with the white ski that ended up with the running engine that came from the black ski.
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The black ski had its engine rebuilt and then sold too...
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Looking out for the next project:)
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