ej18 vs ej22 into a brumby

brockharro · Post by **brockharro** » Fri May 06, 2011 3:27 pm

hey guys and girls im planning to put a ej into my brumby but being a plater i cant really run a ej22 by law coz itll have to be engineered
is there any downsides to the ej18

Post by **TOONGA** » Fri May 06, 2011 7:49 pm

the only downside I could see is that it is a smaller engine cc wise

the EJ18 will serve you well

TOONGA

Venom · Post by **Venom** » Fri May 06, 2011 7:58 pm

Ej18 is still an engine conversion and therfore not P plater friendly.

brockharro · Post by **brockharro** » Fri May 06, 2011 8:42 pm

[quote="Venom"]Ej18 is still an engine conversion and therfore not P plater friendly.[/QUOTE\

Prohibited vehicles are those with:

Eight or more cylinders (except diesel).
A turbocharged engine (except diesel).
A supercharged engine (except diesel).
Engine performance modifications that require an engineers' certificate.
Certain high performance six cylinder engine vehicles or other vehicles as described in the publication Novice Drivers - High Performance Vehicle Restrictions.
thats all it sais
but i dont understand how it sais engine performane modification do u reckon that means engine conversions???

YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Fri May 06, 2011 11:27 pm

brockharro wrote:Engine performance modifications that require an engineers' certificate.

but i dont understand how it says engine performane modification do u reckon that means engine conversions???

This is where you come unstuck - an engine performance modification requiring an engineer's certificate include engine conversions.

Cheers

Bennie

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Sat May 07, 2011 3:02 am

essentially in nsw you will be doing an owner certified modification esp if you go the 18, even 20 comes in under the not up to 15% increase. talk to tech standards on the definition and rule numbers 1300 137302 up to 11am Sat

vincentvega · Post by **vincentvega** » Sat May 07, 2011 10:56 pm

im not 100% on the laws in NSW but why would you need an engineers cert if you are not increasing engine capacity? I thought that was the whole appeal of the EJ18

YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Sun May 08, 2011 7:01 pm

vincentvega wrote:im not 100% on the laws in NSW but why would you need an engineers cert if you are not increasing engine capacity? I thought that was the whole appeal of the EJ18

Because I'm sure its the same as in victoria - if its not in that model from factory you need certification...

Cheers

Bennie

brockharro · Post by **brockharro** » Sun May 08, 2011 7:31 pm

yer it sais any engine conversion with a capacity increase above 15% needs engineer anything other than is just a blue slip and mod plate

vincentvega · Post by **vincentvega** » Sun May 08, 2011 9:23 pm

brockharro wrote:yer it sais any engine conversion with a capacity increase above 15% needs engineer anything other than is just a blue slip and mod plate

thats what I always thought the NSW law was. EJ22 is jover 15% making the EJ18 a pretty good idea

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Sun May 08, 2011 9:57 pm

An EJ18 does not need an engineers cert, and is totally legal for a black licence holder to drive.

The issue is that a P plater is not allowed to drive a vehicle with any engine modifications, even if it complies with state regulations

vincentvega · Post by **vincentvega** » Mon May 09, 2011 3:37 pm

the law states:

"Engine performance modifications that require an engineers' certificate"

you just told me you dont need an engineers cert for an EJ18. So how does this affect a P plater?

Backyard_Brumby · Post by **Backyard_Brumby** » Mon May 09, 2011 3:55 pm

not sure about the nsw guys but have done plenty of talking and researching about the rules in QLD and a p plater can not be driving with any engine conversion (hence why I had to opt for a rebuilt worked ea81 for my project), there is also a very big push to re jig the laws so that it makes it alot harder to get mod plates for an engine that was never fitted to that model of car....ie you can change it to the higher spec ones but it would be harder to put say the ej's into the brumby's etc.

As with everything this is just after having chats with a combination of qld transport people, cops and a couple of mechanics and not by any means the absolute black and white law. I think it is all a bit of a grey area though as you seem to get fifty different answers.

It was even hard to get an answer out of both RTA and QLD transport when I was driving to NSW a couple of times. NO one would say definitely whether I should follow my QLD p plate laws or the ridiculously limiting NSW ones

brockharro · Post by **brockharro** » Mon May 09, 2011 7:40 pm

ok ill have to go into my local rta and find out but does any one know what cars a ej20 sohc come out of