Gen 3 lib lift

hydrowill · Post by **hydrowill** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:10 pm

My Crossbread 2'' lift arrived in the post today!

Just a few questions...

Are there any limitations to the install doing it under a jack and stands or is a hoist needed?

Also what options are available for fixing rear sag? Can you get springs for the lib that have an increased spring rate? Is an increased spring rate going to be bad for offroad driving? Also are the liberty and outback springs the same?

Thanks, Will.

NachaLuva · Post by **NachaLuva** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:56 pm

Thats the way everyone does it but be sure to make sure the car is very stable...you'll be using a lot of force to undo/tighten some of the bolts.

Could you please post some photos? One of the whole kit plus a closeup or 2 of the strut top spacers.

It might also be a good idea to take a side on photo of the car before & after for a comparison, not just for yourself but us too! lol

You've done well getting a crossbred kit, many people here have them & are very happy...

hydrowill · Post by **hydrowill** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:32 pm

Thanks for the reply, thats good to know.

Here are a few pics of the kit.

Everything looks very well made.

Davidov · Post by **Davidov** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:42 pm

hydrowill wrote: Also what options are available for fixing rear sag? Can you get springs for the lib that have an increased spring rate? Is an increased spring rate going to be bad for offroad driving? Also are the liberty and outback springs the same?

Heavy duty springs such as king springs and KYB struts. Ride will be harsher than stock springs but will just about stop sag for a long time. You can get these 1" lifted also, to give you a bit of clearance under the car. As unfortunately the kit you have will not give you any more clearance under the sump or exhaust or anything.

hydrowill · Post by **hydrowill** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:51 pm

Cheers Davidov,

Already have KYB shocks in the rear, any leads where to get my hands on some of these springs?

Are the 1'' lifted springs going to have a dramatic impact on C/V joint wear?

NachaLuva · Post by **NachaLuva** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:02 pm

The kit looks good.

Davidov is right, it will give you extra clearance under the body & part of the exhaust but not the driveline. Raised springs (HD springs) will give you about 30-40mm extra lift under everything incl driveline. It will be slightly harsher but not much & will give you better handling onroad but will slightly reduce wheel travel offroad.

ATM i have raised springs & i'm very happy with them. I'll also get a 2" lift kit when finances allow...

The general opinion is a 1" rise in suspension height wont affect CVs but i can tell you from personal experience it affects camber. I'm not sure but with the offset in your lift kit i think you'll be ok for camber.
Can anyone else confirm this?

hydrowill · Post by **hydrowill** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:27 pm

Put the kit in over the weekend. The lib looks pretty neat.

I will put some pics up tomorrow after work

The camber does not seem to have been effected at all really.

Nachaluva, where did you get your springs from?

Will

Davidov · Post by **Davidov** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:03 pm

hydrowill wrote:Put the kit in over the weekend. The lib looks pretty neat.

I will put some pics up tomorrow after work

The camber does not seem to have been effected at all really.

Nachaluva, where did you get your springs from?

Will

Will be hard to tell if camber is affected until you do some significant KM's to observe tread wear on your tyres. If wearing a lot more on inside or outside of tire but not both, there is camber issues.

For lifted king springs, pop in to a local shocks/suspension shop and ask for 1" lifted king springs to suit your car and they should be able to hook you up.

taza · Post by **taza** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:17 pm

^ Supercheap Auto also can order in your srings for you quite cheaply. Then you can put them in or a mechanic or tyre shop.

A wheel alignment will also tell you if you have camber issues and the tyre should will probably let you know. I have small camber issue in the rear with stock camber bolts (you can get adjustable ones) but thats because I have raised springs and 1" lift blocks. Its no too ad though.

Taza

NachaLuva · Post by **NachaLuva** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:27 pm

hydrowill wrote:Put the kit in over the weekend. The lib looks pretty neat.

I will put some pics up tomorrow after work

The camber does not seem to have been effected at all really.

Nachaluva, where did you get your springs from?

Will

Cool, cant wait to see pics...

I got mine from Autobarn. I also got new struts at the same time. I did a lot of calling around to find the best price (from western suburbs lol) then Autobarn (just around the corner) matched their price. Got the lot for $950

hydrowill · Post by **hydrowill** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:18 pm

The car has had a crude wheel alignment untill I can organise getting one done. I dont think there is much of a problem with the camber but I guess I'll find out when the alignment it done.

Taza are the rear stock bolts non-adjustable?

Still deciding if I want to go the extra height with the springs.

Here is a pic of the car as well as an older one with the forester wheels for comparison. I will eventually get round to putting a thread up in the my car section with some more pics.

taza · Post by **taza** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:15 pm

^ Nice car, can't wait to see it with the lift. No I have stock camber bolts all round in my Forester. I could use some adjustable ones in the rear to get the wheel alignment just right. But remember I have 2" lift with no camber correction (raised srpings and 1" lift blocks).

Taza

hydrowill · Post by **hydrowill** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:20 am

The first pic is the one with the lift. haha

Post by **Alex** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:04 am

i like it.

it would look blinging with some nice rims

try for some outback struts and springs to get her that smidge higher off the ground.

alex

NachaLuva · Post by **NachaLuva** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:58 am

+1, looks good.

I wouldnt wait too long for a wheel alignment though, its not just the camber thats affected, also the toe-in/out. It doesnt take long to scrub out tyres. 1 member on here went through an estimated 20-30% tread in 1 week! All in the shoulder...

I just put some camber bolts in the rear to get some negative camber back. Was easy to do & very effective, they just replace the top OEM bolt. I used Whiteline, look very sturdy, Eibach look similar but have heard warnings not to use that brand & i would totally stay away from H&R...they have no tab to lock the bolt in place!

EDIT: Make sure when you get your WA done you get a printout!
Also, look for a place that does mechanical repairs as they are more likely to actually know what they're doing...some places just use some guy with limited experience/ knowledge/ skill. The tyre place that did my WA when i got my tyres was adamant there was no camber adjustment on the rear!!! Idiots!

hydrowill · Post by **hydrowill** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:09 pm

Yeah it wont be too long untill the w/a is done.

The bloke who does our alignments does all the set ups for my old mans rally car. He has rallyed Subaru's in the past himself so I have full confidence that he will do a good job.

NachaLuva · Post by **NachaLuva** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:10 pm

hydrowill wrote:Yeah it wont be too long untill the w/a is done.

The bloke who does our alignments does all the set ups for my old mans rally car. He has rallyed Subaru's in the past himself so I have full confidence that he will do a good job.

Perfect! It might be a big help to others if you post his business...plus i'm sure he'd love the free plug lol
Maybe if he's not too far i might go there in future

hydrowill · Post by **hydrowill** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:33 pm

He is in Kilsyth on Canterbury road. Almost across the road from the wreckers.

Called Trackside Race and Rally. Does a great job however he is usually very busy so it would pay to give him a call before dropping in.

http://www.tracksidetyres.com.au

NachaLuva · Post by **NachaLuva** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:02 pm

hydrowill wrote:He is in Kilsyth on Canterbury road. Almost across the road from the wreckers.

Called Trackside Race and Rally. Does a great job however he is usually very busy so it would pay to give him a call before dropping in.

http://www.tracksidetyres.com.au

Will have to remember them...

Phizinza · Post by **Phizinza** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:54 am

It is a full body lift right? So alignment shouldn't be affected unless you loosened off the strut to knuckle bolts or took the tie rod ends off.