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I have a few quires on the this new law & how it affects this site specifically.

• Will there be any legal requirements on the IP of this site ? ( Is it 'Tor' friendly ? )
• What happens to the 'old data' anyways ? ( Like private messages, etc. )
• What data would they be 'collecting' from here ?

There have also been the following suggested ways of avoiding data retention:

• Use Facebook messenger, Twitter private messages, Gmail or another overseas email provider.
• Download programs such as Tor that promise anonymity.
• Use private-key cryptography, available as phone apps.
• Sign on to a virtual private network.

That's as far as I got in trying to get my head around these stupid laws ... ... ( whoever thinks of them needs to be shot )

No doubt I will come back to 'pad' this out more ...

Cheers, Bantum ...

I dont know much about it, but why are you worried about them retaining your data or the data from this site?

99.99% of the data will be of no interest to them, but if the data collected helps prosecute people who are dealing child porn or plotting a terrorist attack, I dont see the issue.

If you arent looking up illegal material, you have nothing to worry about either

the law makers are asking a helluva lot of the data providers to store so much stuff. The law should have been made to not retain it, rather to pass it on to the federal government to hold themselves, along with the rst of the retained data that is already used for 'matching' within their secure facilities. That way, when you get hauled over the coals for forgetting an interest payment, or data matching gets mixed with other peoples, they can look into whatever else you are into - with the press of a button by some dude worlking through the night testing programs etc

http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Bus ... ?bId=r5375

Type Government

Portfolio Attorney-General

Originating house House of Representatives

Status Passed Both Houses

Parliament no 44
Summary Implements recommendations of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security’s (PJCIS) report Report of the Inquiry into Potential Reforms of Australia’s National Security Legislation by amending the:
Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Act 1979 to: require telecommunications service providers to retain for two years telecommunications data (not content) prescribed by regulations; provide for a review by the PJCIS of the mandatory data retention scheme no more than three years after the end of its implementation phase; limit the range of agencies that are able to access telecommunications data and stored communications; provide for record-keeping and reporting the use of, and access to, telecommunications data; and require the Commonwealth Ombudsman to inspect and oversight these records for compliance; and Telecommunications Act 1997 to make consequential amendments.

According to this summary they track where we go but not what we look at. (which I find hard to believe)

The bill has been in place since 1979 but these amendments include the ever changing interwebs.

TOONGA

For most of the people I know it's more a matter of principle than a fear of legal prosecution. I've just purchased CyberGhost 5 VPN service, installed on my mobile phone and all the devices at home, cause screw 'em.

My 2 cents:

This law is an incredible waste of time and money which forces ISP's (who have no interest in spying on their customers...usually) to lump the massive cost and manage the logistics of storing this much data. As we have seen, anybody can easily circumvent it, and dare I say anyone who truly has something to hide will probably never be caught if they've been around the internet longer than a few minutes. As for what data is actually going to be stored, there is a proper definition of it somewhere (metadata) but when the minister pushing this was actually asked what data is going to be stored it was obvious he didn't have a clue what he was talking about....and this guy is in charge of something as important of this??!? And of course no matter how nicely they word the law and promise to be careful with it, it will be abused and used for purposes other than what it was designed for. So instead of going after terrorists and kiddy fiddlers (who will be behind VPN's and proxies anyway) it will be used for Hollywood to prosecute individuals for downloading the latest Game of Thrones episode with a nice big cut of the damages going straight into Tony Abbotts' next election campaign.

Multiple ISP's are against it, I haven't met a single person who is comfortable with it, it is a huge waste of resources and money, but we have to live with it because our government said so. I can only hope these incompetent wankers get turfed out next year and this law gets repealed.

Yes I'm mad

Yes - Same here ...

I'm of the mind that ' What is the point of this law ... ? ' When it can be easily overcome, ( + they would have known this at the out set ) and doesn't achieve the prescribed reason for it ...

What are they ( Governments on both sides ) hiding from us ? Guess we'll find out soon enough ...

Ciao, Bantum ...

the roflcopters are coming for you

TOONGA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boh92DrYEWs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGPzl-TBI48

Ha - I just read the text in that X-Files posting :

"Distressed about the possibility of a conspiratorial organisation of dark forces."

Must be a gaming thing 'rolfcopter' ...

Ciao, Bantum ...

Gannon wrote:I dont know much about it, but why are you worried about them retaining your data or the data from this site?

99.99% of the data will be of no interest to them, but if the data collected helps prosecute people who are dealing child porn or plotting a terrorist attack, I dont see the issue.

If you aren't looking up illegal material, you have nothing to worry about either

Sorry , but this is very , very naive, and I mean this in a good way.

I happened to have a conversation on this topic with some friends of mine last night, who are quite senior and experienced police officers. They have already dealt with the problems that some badly drafted laws have provided to quite innocent people -

Lets say your computer is infected by a virus, this has happened to hundreds of thousands of people, lets say this gives remote control to the hacker ( this is all happened to thousands of people) , the hacker accesses a website and downloads a zip file, that contains 5000 porn images, 5 of which are child porn. They then post that to themselves from your computer. they then delete the file from your computer. However your metadata indicated that you have visited a kiddie porn site. Your computer disk is taken for examination, ( can happen at any airport for example - they don't need to know your metadata) Kiddie porn pictures are found within your disk ( partially-erased picture files).

you , without any shadow of a doubt, have a kiddie porn pictures on your machine , and those files were downloaded and disseminated from your machine. Here in Oz you are looking a imprisonment and being put on the sex offenders register.

Now take out the virus and the remote control, and just put in those annoying pop-up that plague those of the community that use internet explorer and "standard" "security" products. Those pop-ups can and do send your connection to very illegal sites, your meta data show that you have been there.

The discussion turned to the fact that those who actually have something to hide, are almost always prudent enough to hide their tracks and encode their computers, my friends are currently in the 9th month of waiting for the encoding on a particular laptop to be cracked, and they admit that even using cutting edge cracks , there is little chance of actually getting into this hard drive - and the "suspect" knows this.


also read these,



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/d ... y-metadata

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articl ... 183553.htm

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/stu ... formation/

I think the above links may prove my point.

And I strongly suggest you clear your browser history and your temporary files after reading the above articles. Just because you actually DO have a paranoid multiple personality disorder does not meant "they" are not out to get both of you,

cheers