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5 speed into MY

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:42 am
by Matatak
so i know theres a lot of info on doing this conversion scattered around this forum. but i think there shuld be a sticky somewhere.
theres a lot of people who have done this and more that will want to consider or do it in the future.

therefore all the facts of doing it should be brought into one thread. much like the current stickies in the "Conversions, modifications and performance" section

to start off with i am specifically referring to the L-series 5 speed DR gearbox being put into an MY series car that originally had a 4-speed Single or DR gearbox.


as for what i know on this conversion.
Cross Member - The original MY gearbox cross member and gearbox mounts can be reused with some modifications in the way of elongating the bolt holes for the mounts into the Cross member 4 to 5mm or so outwards. And elongating the Mount adapter plates between Gearbox and Mount so that they can actually bolt up to the Gearbox. (Make sure u keep them on the right sides as they are sided, then you can tell how they need to be done by inspecting.)

Tail shaft - (the long shaft running out of the gearbox to the rear Diff) As the Lseries gearbox is shorter than the MY gearbox it needs a slightly longer Tail shaft than the original MY shaft.
You could lengthen the Original Tail shaft but it can get costly (around 400 i have heard of.)
Or as another probably cheaper way to go, the L series 2 piece shaft can be used with a mount being made for the centre bearing as it is the correct length.

Wiring -
that picture pretty much covers it i think.
Image
(Courtesy of Subarino)

Linkages - the complete Lseries Linkages actually fit in place and can be mounted to a stud that is already potruding out of the MY body just behind the hole for gearstick and 4WD lever.

Clutch - the bigger (ie the 9inch not the 8 inch) MY pressure plate and Flywheel can be reused but the Lseries input shaft is a different spline count so a matching Clutch disc must be used (the L-series clutch disc should be fine for this).
the Lseries gearbox release bearing and clutch fork should be used (an MY release bearing is not big enough for the Input shaft on the Lseries gearbox that the bearing slides on. and the MY clutch fork is a smaller unit. it does still seem to fit but there is more leverage action with the Lseries fork.)



as with most conversions and upgrades to every one's car. there are different ways of doing it. this is not every way nor is it the only way to do it.

at this present time i cant think of what else will need doing to get a 5speed box working in an MY. but no doubt there may be more i have forgot.

i am also hoping this thread will catch on and have more useful information posted in it to help out others when and if they plan on doing this conversion.

(i have tried to keep my spelling in check aswell)

Cheers

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:03 am
by AndrewT
Theres some pretty good info here;
http://www.ausubaru.com/wiki/index.php? ... ANSMISSION

One thing to remember is the L series gearboxes come in two varieties with regards to the front driveshaft stub spline count. Some are 23 spline (the ones u need) and others (turbo and n/a MPFI) have 25 spline. I guess you'd either have to change the stub axels or your innet CV joints if you ended up with a 25 spline 5spd.

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:34 am
by coops
You can use the L series prop shaft. I made a mount for the centre bearing and have had no problems over the last 6 months its been in there.

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:45 am
by Subafury
what about the bolt pattern to secure it onto the engine? or adaptor plate for those with ej's. is it the same?

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:32 am
by BrennyV
bell housing is the same matt

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:24 am
by dfoyl

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:19 pm
by Busdriver
Matatak, I think you deserve congratulations on your spelling this time, well done!

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:34 pm
by Matatak
BrennyV wrote:bell housing is the same matt
haha didnt i tell u that BrennyV :p



thankyou to evry1 whos posted. when its all brought into the one thread its a damn lot easier to find for others and for next time.

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:38 pm
by AlpineRaven
Make this sticky! or put this posting in strictly technical locked out area that mods can place?
Cheers
AP

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:44 pm
by D3V1L
hahahahah hury up mat need car for weekend

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:19 pm
by El_Freddo
Done forget to put a small spacer between the gearbox bell housing and the starter motor.

We found out the nasty way that using the L series clutch brings the clutch assembly a little bit closer to the starter motor than the original clutch setup.

A set of washers installed will move the starter motor backwards far enough to avoid contact.

If there's no spacer, there'll be some really nasty noises going on there... Just ask SuBaRiNo ;)

Cheers

Bennie

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:12 pm
by Matatak
El_Freddo wrote:Done forget to put a small spacer between the gearbox bell housing and the starter motor.

We found out the nasty way that using the L series clutch brings the clutch assembly a little bit closer to the starter motor than the original clutch setup.

A set of washers installed will move the starter motor backwards far enough to avoid contact.

If there's no spacer, there'll be some really nasty noises going on there... Just ask SuBaRiNo ;)

Cheers

Bennie


no offence meant here....but i dont understand.
are you talking when you use an Lseries Flywheel, Pressure Plate, Clutch Disc and etc.

because all i plan on doing is putting an Lseries Clutch Disc in to be the correct spline to the Input Shaft. as MY and L's both have a 9 inch diameter clutch. (obviously some MY's do have a 8 ? inch or something clutch to.)
(using an Lseries clutch fork and Release Bearing to so theres no confusion :) )

theoretically nothing in my setup should change unless the Bell housing area on the 5 speed gearbox is different where the starter mounts up, which i didnt think was the case.


but any way that is still good information for some one doing it who is going to use an Lseries clutch setup. thanks for sharing :D

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:57 pm
by SuBaRiNo
Bennie... seriously.... let him find out the way we did.

Dave

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:32 am
by Matatak
SuBaRiNo wrote:Bennie... seriously.... let him find out the way we did.

Dave
why do u keep talking we.....have u built a car with bennie :???:

and dave, seriously. stop whoring my thread.

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:21 am
by BrennyV
Trouble in paradise! :O

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:14 pm
by steptoe
measure thickness of bell housing between where starter bolts to and you will see. I found a 4mm difference with one box 5 speed d/r and cut outr a 'gasket' of 4mm alloy sheet with a jigsaw and file....but tell us you've read the notes someone posted. I know i have added bits, I had the complete story but it was wiped when all things crashed a few years ago

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:30 pm
by Matatak
steptoe wrote:measure thickness of bell housing between where starter bolts to and you will see. I found a 4mm difference with one box 5 speed d/r and cut outr a 'gasket' of 4mm alloy sheet with a jigsaw and file....but tell us you've read the notes someone posted. I know i have added bits, I had the complete story but it was wiped when all things crashed a few years ago
yeah i had a quick look at the starter thicknesses.. haven't been able to do much else yet.

and yeah i went searching round the forum but its hard to find it all when its scattered everywhere, so im hoping this will bring it all together.

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:45 pm
by SuBaRiNo
Matt don't ask me a question (not related to the post) and tell me to not take it off topic in the same post. And coming from you saying to stop whoring a thread is the funniest thing I have heard all week. I doubt you have made one post in any thread all week that is on topic.

And YES Bennie and I have built a car tegether you retard... hence the use of the word WE. Turns out you don't know of everything that goes on Mat.

Dave

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:26 am
by El_Freddo
Matatak wrote:why do u keep talking we.....have u built a car with bennie :???:
I love this... I think its got something to do with dave being in WA and me being in Vic...

Matatak, i was in WA last year for a short time as you know... one of the things i learnt from dave is that subi grease goes well on party pies ;) :p ;)
SuBaRiNo wrote:Bennie... seriously.... let him find out the way we did.
I did explain it correctly didn't I? If not, when it grinds, space out the Starter motor...

And for the selector linkages, i've seen people use the L series gear selectors and interior pieces, looks like it was meant to be there... Just make sure you get the same colour interior bits as your MY (common sense i would think...).

Cheers

Bennie