EJ Dual Range AWD 1.19:1 Lo range upgrade to 1.59 {56k warning}
- AlpineRaven
- Senior Member
- Posts: 3682
- Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:00 am
- Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Yep mate it is still good...dibs wrote:so hows the box going you still smiling????????????????????
dibs
On other day about 4 weeks ago, I had to pull up an Commodore on a car trailer on my mates farm where he couldn't pull it up with his Rodeo (would loose traction on grass) so I wacked in low range and pulled it up - works like a treat - he was gobsmacked..
Cheers
AP
Subarus that I have/had:
1995 Liberty "Rallye" - 5MT AWD, LSD - *written off 25/8/06 in towing accident.
1996 Liberty Wagon - SkiFX AWD 5MT D/R, Lifted.. Outback Sway Bar, 1.59:1 Low Gearing see thread: 1.59:1 in EJ Box Page
Sold at 385,000kms in July 2011.
2007 Liberty BP Wagon, 2.5i automatic
1995 Liberty "Rallye" - 5MT AWD, LSD - *written off 25/8/06 in towing accident.
1996 Liberty Wagon - SkiFX AWD 5MT D/R, Lifted.. Outback Sway Bar, 1.59:1 Low Gearing see thread: 1.59:1 in EJ Box Page
Sold at 385,000kms in July 2011.
2007 Liberty BP Wagon, 2.5i automatic
- RSR 555
- Elder Member
- Posts: 6951
- Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:42 am
- Location: ATM... stuck in Rockingham
Hey AP..
I have a 8 bolt Outback gearbox (99 model) here that has bearing problems and wish to pull apart at some stage.. Do you think the EA D/R internals will fit?
Cheers,
Paul
I have a 8 bolt Outback gearbox (99 model) here that has bearing problems and wish to pull apart at some stage.. Do you think the EA D/R internals will fit?
Cheers,
Paul
You know you are getting old when the candles on your birthday cake start to cost more than the cake itself.
RSR Performance
Home of the 'MURTAYA' in Oz
Subaru Impreza WRX based Sportscar
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Disclaimer: Not my website but hyperlink here to Subaru workshop manuals
RSR Performance
Home of the 'MURTAYA' in Oz
Subaru Impreza WRX based Sportscar
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Disclaimer: Not my website but hyperlink here to Subaru workshop manuals
- El_Freddo
- Master Member
- Posts: 12502
- Joined: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:00 am
- Location: Bridgewater Vic
- Contact:
Paul I'm pretty sure the internal layout is still the same, just the number of bolts to mount the engine have changed.RSR 555 wrote:I have a 8 bolt Outback gearbox (99 model) here that has bearing problems and wish to pull apart at some stage.. Do you think the EA D/R internals will fit?
If it's a 4.11 or 4.44 diff ratio, to fit the L low range you'll have to shave some meat from the crown wheel. I'm not sure which section needs to be removed as I've not done it or seen it done myself. Peejay will be able to elaborate more I'm sure.
Cheers
Bennie
- RSR 555
- Elder Member
- Posts: 6951
- Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:42 am
- Location: ATM... stuck in Rockingham
I really hope so.. as for the ratio, I'll grab the number off the box and see. I remember building a 4.4 many years ago and have to skim some of the crown wheel were it bolted to the diff centre flange.. Thanks budEl_Freddo wrote:Paul I'm pretty sure the internal layout is still the same, just the number of bolts to mount the engine have changed.
If it's a 4.11 or 4.44 diff ratio, to fit the L low range you'll have to shave some meat from the crown wheel. I'm not sure which section needs to be removed as I've not done it or seen it done myself. Peejay will be able to elaborate more I'm sure.
Cheers
Bennie
You know you are getting old when the candles on your birthday cake start to cost more than the cake itself.
RSR Performance
Home of the 'MURTAYA' in Oz
Subaru Impreza WRX based Sportscar
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Disclaimer: Not my website but hyperlink here to Subaru workshop manuals
RSR Performance
Home of the 'MURTAYA' in Oz
Subaru Impreza WRX based Sportscar
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Disclaimer: Not my website but hyperlink here to Subaru workshop manuals
Just curious, is it a certain type of EA D/R box needed to be used as a donor? I bought 2 EA D/R boxes to use on my 2 liberty boxes. The shaft that the 2 dual range counter gears sit on is thinner in diameter than the shaft from my EJ box. I was so hyped to be able to test it in the mud, but now I can't do it & need to buy another 2 gearboxes. Doh.
- El_Freddo
- Master Member
- Posts: 12502
- Joined: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:00 am
- Location: Bridgewater Vic
- Contact:
G'day s3gti, welcome to the forum!s3gti wrote:Just curious, is it a certain type of EA D/R box needed to be used as a donor? I bought 2 EA D/R boxes to use on my 2 liberty boxes. The shaft that the 2 dual range counter gears sit on is thinner in diameter than the shaft from my EJ box. I was so hyped to be able to test it in the mud, but now I can't do it & need to buy another 2 gearboxes. Doh.
What year is your EJ gearbox from? And the EA boxes? I've not heard of this happening before.
Have a read in the Subaru Chat part of the forum on how to host images and drop a couple in here to show us what you're talking about exactly
I'm sure we'll nut it out without the need of another set of gearboxes.
Cheers
Bennie
Lets see if I can do this right, these images should be able to tell the story.
These are hopefully the gears in question. It worked.
These are the 2 sets of low range gears. the liberty is on the right- with the writing on it.
The two shafts side by side
& an end-on pic showing the different diameters.
The liberty gearbox is out of a 91 liberty & the other box is an ea series dual range box. Perhaps it is out of an 1800 wagon, or brumby. I know that it has a final drive of 3.7:1, & that now I have 2 of them in pieces.
These are hopefully the gears in question. It worked.
These are the 2 sets of low range gears. the liberty is on the right- with the writing on it.
The two shafts side by side
& an end-on pic showing the different diameters.
The liberty gearbox is out of a 91 liberty & the other box is an ea series dual range box. Perhaps it is out of an 1800 wagon, or brumby. I know that it has a final drive of 3.7:1, & that now I have 2 of them in pieces.
- El_Freddo
- Master Member
- Posts: 12502
- Joined: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:00 am
- Location: Bridgewater Vic
- Contact:
Good point Toonga!TOONGA wrote:You ned to get an L series 5 speed box and use the low range gears out of that. the brumby/ wagon /MY series gearset will not work.
s3gti, the gearboxes you've got for the swap - are they a 4 speed or a 5 speed? Got pics of the gearbox casings? I should be able to let you know if it's 4spd or 5spd by the casings if you don't have one that's still together
Cheers
Bennie
- El_Freddo
- Master Member
- Posts: 12502
- Joined: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:00 am
- Location: Bridgewater Vic
- Contact:
Here's the problem - the MY or brumbys only came out with a 4 speed gearbox in high and low range 4wd...s3gti wrote:Pretty sure they are a 5 speed box, same number of cogs as the liberty box. I think it may be like toonga says, the boxes are probably from an 1800 wagon, or brumby. I wish I knew that before I bought the bloody things. Oh well, s#@t happens. thanks for your help.
Can you load us up a couple of images of these gearboxes? And if you've got them split a shot like this would help:
I hope you're not giving up on this!
Cheers
Bennie
- fårwildrajv
- Junior Member
- Posts: 3
- Joined: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:55 am
- Location: sweden
Hello!
you seem to be good at subaru gearbox.
I have a question...
is there a needle bearing on the inputshaft between the HI and LOW speed?
Im sorry if my English is bad and some word get wrong... I live in sweden
My problem is a bearing noise when i drive in HI but not in LOW so my guess is a bearing between the HI and LOW.
Thanks!
you seem to be good at subaru gearbox.
I have a question...
is there a needle bearing on the inputshaft between the HI and LOW speed?
Im sorry if my English is bad and some word get wrong... I live in sweden
My problem is a bearing noise when i drive in HI but not in LOW so my guess is a bearing between the HI and LOW.
Thanks!
- Attachments
-
- vxlsubba.jpg (87.31 KiB) Viewed 5763 times
To the best of my knowledge, the bearings supporting the input shaft are the big wide thing to the right, and the thin one in the wall of the casing behind the diff.
When the synchro is engaged, it locks the 2 pieces of the shaft together.
However, when the synchro is the other way, the load goes via the side shaft via the gears which is hidden behind in that pic.
That short shaft is on bearings also, so that might be the problem area.
Anyone disagree?
When the synchro is engaged, it locks the 2 pieces of the shaft together.
However, when the synchro is the other way, the load goes via the side shaft via the gears which is hidden behind in that pic.
That short shaft is on bearings also, so that might be the problem area.
Anyone disagree?
Current rides:
JDM GTII Touring wagon
88 RX Turbo Full-time 4wd touring wagon project - 97 Toyota Caldina GTT (turbo 4wd WRX eater:twisted:) - Hyundai Excel Rally Car:???:
Previous rides:
93 Legacy GT wagon - 85 RX Turbo Full time 4wd Touring Wagon - 85 GL AWD sedan
96 Toyota Caldina wagon
JDM GTII Touring wagon
88 RX Turbo Full-time 4wd touring wagon project - 97 Toyota Caldina GTT (turbo 4wd WRX eater:twisted:) - Hyundai Excel Rally Car:???:
Previous rides:
93 Legacy GT wagon - 85 RX Turbo Full time 4wd Touring Wagon - 85 GL AWD sedan
96 Toyota Caldina wagon
- El_Freddo
- Master Member
- Posts: 12502
- Joined: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:00 am
- Location: Bridgewater Vic
- Contact:
Nope, I reckon you got it smack on. The issue must be with one of the bearings on the layshafts that the driving gears are mounted to.wagonist wrote:Anyone disagree?
What speed/speeds does this noise appear?
There are needle bearings but they're on the other part of the low range setup:
(left one is the L series unit) This is the other gear that completes the low range system, the shaft it's on has the needle bearings but these wouldn't be under load in high range, thus wouldn't be making any noise.
I'd be looking at other bearings or other things on your subi to solve what it is.
If you can give us more information about speeds/engine loads when the noise occurs that would be helpful too.
Cheers
Bennie
- fårwildrajv
- Junior Member
- Posts: 3
- Joined: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:55 am
- Location: sweden
Oh, i will do my best to wright.El_Freddo wrote:Nope, I reckon you got it smack on. The issue must be with one of the bearings on the layshafts that the driving gears are mounted to.
What speed/speeds does this noise appear?
There are needle bearings but they're on the other part of the low range setup:
(left one is the L series unit) This is the other gear that completes the low range system, the shaft it's on has the needle bearings but these wouldn't be under load in high range, thus wouldn't be making any noise.
I'd be looking at other bearings or other things on your subi to solve what it is.
If you can give us more information about speeds/engine loads when the noise occurs that would be helpful too.
Cheers
Bennie
So if i get this right, in HI gear the input shaft is one unit. And in LOW gear it split the shaft and the power goes out to this little axle on the side?
The noise is from neutral and most when you have loads at drive train.
If i stand in neutral and releases the clutch you can here the sound change and the when press down clutch it stops.
(bearings in clutch is new)
If i do the same in LOW, the sound don't change.
I thought that it was like in LOW the input shaft was one piece and in HI it split and it was like a over gear on all gears.
- El_Freddo
- Master Member
- Posts: 12502
- Joined: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:00 am
- Location: Bridgewater Vic
- Contact:
Correct.fårwildrajv wrote:So if i get this right, in HI gear the input shaft is one unit. And in LOW gear it split the shaft and the power goes out to this little axle on the side?
This to me would point to a faulty throw out bearing, even if it's new. Was the unit new (and a good brand?) or second hand (used?)fårwildrajv wrote:The noise is from neutral and most when you have loads at drive train.
If i stand in neutral and releases the clutch you can here the sound change and the when press down clutch it stops.
(bearings in clutch is new)
This leads me off the throw out bearing as the cause... I've got no idea what could be doing this.fårwildrajv wrote:If i do the same in LOW, the sound don't change.
Cheers
Bennie
- fårwildrajv
- Junior Member
- Posts: 3
- Joined: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:55 am
- Location: sweden
- AlpineRaven
- Senior Member
- Posts: 3682
- Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:00 am
- Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Have you resolved the issue you're having? Does the noise appear any gear or specific speed?fårwildrajv wrote:No it is strange that the noise only is there at HI.
Well i see what to do at this. Im looking for a used gearbox and replace.
Thanks and have fun with subaru
Cheers
AP
Subarus that I have/had:
1995 Liberty "Rallye" - 5MT AWD, LSD - *written off 25/8/06 in towing accident.
1996 Liberty Wagon - SkiFX AWD 5MT D/R, Lifted.. Outback Sway Bar, 1.59:1 Low Gearing see thread: 1.59:1 in EJ Box Page
Sold at 385,000kms in July 2011.
2007 Liberty BP Wagon, 2.5i automatic
1995 Liberty "Rallye" - 5MT AWD, LSD - *written off 25/8/06 in towing accident.
1996 Liberty Wagon - SkiFX AWD 5MT D/R, Lifted.. Outback Sway Bar, 1.59:1 Low Gearing see thread: 1.59:1 in EJ Box Page
Sold at 385,000kms in July 2011.
2007 Liberty BP Wagon, 2.5i automatic