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Post by steptoe » Sun May 27, 2012 9:11 am

Look neat and tidy, but if we have screwed up in the guessing, is it worth it to lose your Vortex in a puff of smoke ?

I can get a squizz at the Narva catalogue sometime, take some pics.
Aren't the originals three of one colour and you've upped to the red one?

This might be where one of those clamp meters $30 on ebay might help measure working loads ?

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Post by Gannon » Sun May 27, 2012 9:25 am

Im gonna go with the smaller rated ones, worked out on maximum cable ratings when I do mine
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Post by nncoolg » Sun May 27, 2012 10:47 am

steptoe wrote: I can get a squizz at the Narva catalogue sometime, take some pics.
Aren't the originals three of one colour and you've upped to the red one?
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Green, Red, Green, Black is what's listed on fusible link box lid and the WSM,
Mine had Green, Green, Green, Black indicating one had been swapped at one point, perhaps because the greens are more common, being 2 inevery car, not 1...
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# Vortex Main Dash Surround / Bezel ANY COLOUR,
# Vortex Radio, # RHD Vortex 4speed auto digital dash,
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Post by steptoe » Sun May 27, 2012 10:01 pm

also listed in your parts book copy as above, Neville is correct :) . I may be thinking L Series colours too. Looks good, looks a genuine update

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Post by El_Freddo » Tue May 29, 2012 6:22 pm

steptoe wrote:Look neat and tidy, but if we have screwed up in the guessing, is it worth it to lose your Vortex in a puff of smoke ?
For me - yep :D "It's only wiring!"
nncoolg wrote:Green, Red, Green, Black is what's listed on fusible link box lid and the WSM,
Mine had Green, Green, Green, Black indicating one had been swapped at one point, perhaps because the greens are more common, being 2 inevery car, not 1...
Mine too has Green, Green, Green, Black from factory - so I've replaced the same and all is going well so far! I'd actually forgotten that I'd swapped all the fusible links out for this newer type of fuse :D

I might have to look into the red fuse to swap so it's all mickey mouse ;)

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Post by steptoe » Tue May 29, 2012 6:57 pm

Red might be Vortex specific

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Post by nncoolg » Tue May 29, 2012 7:01 pm

Xt and L share the same fusible link box lid.
The trading corner : the stuff that I need ATM -
# Vortex Main Dash Surround / Bezel ANY COLOUR,
# Vortex Radio, # RHD Vortex 4speed auto digital dash,
# RH-Side parking (86+) Vortex wiper transmission,
# EA82 AWD 4EAT,
If you have them please PM me :cool:

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Post by El_Freddo » Tue May 29, 2012 7:04 pm

steptoe wrote:Red might be Vortex specific
I'll check it out anyway, but that is a good suggestion Steptoe!

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Post by steptoe » Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:55 am

Was looking at my GLTM5's FL box last night, being an 85 model may be th difference, has one black 1.25 and three green 0.5 listed on the brown FL box cover. May be an 87 or mpfi thing to have one red, two greens ??

Oh, and a pic of the FL that caused me all my grief in Sept 2009

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taken just today, kept the little bugger as a reminder I suppose

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Post by Gannon » Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:42 am

you know that a plug in fuse could fail in the same way if a high resistance joint formed on the spade terminal.
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Post by steptoe » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:28 pm

:o You know, when ya think about things 'they' wouldn't make fusible links like the FFL boxes we are talking about, wouldn't make them so they actually fitted the FL boxes, and not just one in and the wire FL's, the whole lot fit in just ever so neatly and colour match as well.

We have found that different shaped and sized FL boxes available, or in use in EJ models etc are not the same colour for same rating. Surely not just a fluke ......shame no one has found those that fit are just a superceded version

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Post by steptoe » Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:50 am

Any questions now purp ??

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Post by Bantum » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:52 am

If Ok with you guys - I should put some of this up on the wiki page ... :)

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Post by purp » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:20 pm

steptoe wrote:Any questions now purp ??

:p
I'll let you know when my brain recovers from reading through this thread

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Post by steptoe » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:34 am

If only we could get to the nitty gritty detail of the wires used in cars running exactly the same rated FFL's we want to use. Need to ID the cars that use them, and hope to find the detail same as that Subaru included in their manuals !

Because, it looks like to use black for black could see those using an 80A rated whre Gannons calcs come out as to use the green 40A !

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Post by steptoe » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:32 am

Gannon wrote:Just had a brainwave (which means that my previous information may be incorrect)

I did some Google-ing and discovered that the fusible link must be 4 'gauges' smaller than the cable it is protecting

So a 0.5mm2 FL is 20 gauge. So the wire it protects is 16 gauge or 1.3mm2 or more likely 1.25mm2 which requires a 15A fuse
Next one, 0.85mm2 FL is 18g. So the wire it protects is 14 gauge or 2.0mm2 which requires a 25A fuse
The next one, 1.25mm2 FL is 16g. So the wire it protects is 12 gauge or 3.0mm2 which requires a 40A fuse
The last one, 2.0mm2 FL is 12g. So the wire it protects is 8.0mm2 which requires a 50A fuse


Requires more inforation
read this and what one part says is that the fuse needs to be 4 gauges smaller. Does this mean the old gauge standard number increases as the thickness decrease ??

Ah wiki, worth more money aren't they !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_gauge - see it explained and I am likely to remember it better:)

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Post by Gannon » Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:05 am

I probably could have explained that better.
FL size is 4 gauges smaller wire diameter, meaning 4 steps higher in gauge number.

As I havent yet finished the RX, I havent converted mine to new style push ins. But before I do I plan on testing the full load current of each circuit
Current rides: 2016 Mitsubishi Triton GLS & 2004 Forester X
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Post by steptoe » Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:09 am

and that will be by using a lower rated FL first, then load up each circuit to make sure it don't bust ?

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Post by Gannon » Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:53 am

I'll just pull the FL out and bridge the connection with my ammeter and measure the current, the decision will then be made on what size to choose
Current rides: 2016 Mitsubishi Triton GLS & 2004 Forester X
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Post by El_Freddo » Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:20 pm

Gannon wrote:I'll just pull the FL out and bridge the connection with my ammeter and measure the current, the decision will then be made on what size to choose
I'll be keen to know what these are as I've colour matched the fuses to the fusible links - something that was discussed earlier from memory!

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