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Best way to get lower gearing

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:02 pm
by JP147
I would like some lower gear ratios for my MY, and an auto conversion seems like too much effort.
It has a 4 speed manual with low range and 3.70 final drive.
I guess 3.90 gears are the way to go, but is it easier to swap the diffs or to swap the rear axle and get a 5 speed manual from an L series?

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:05 pm
by Pillarless Jim
Put smaller diameter tyres on the car, JP147. Like it was designed to have.

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:45 pm
by Silverbullet
Pillarless Jim wrote:Put smaller diameter tyres on the car, JP147. Like it was designed to have.
Noo! Dont' listen to him JP!

:p

But yes I think the 3.9 ratio box and diff is the easiest way to go for better gearing with big wheels. A bit trickier to find than the common 3.7 box/diff combo though.

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:42 pm
by JP147
Pillarless Jim wrote:Put smaller diameter tyres on the car, JP147. Like it was designed to have.
It went alright with small wheels, but there was a lot less traction and a lot of bottoming out.

Was there a 3.9 box in the MY Leone? And what about the 5 speed manual with the 1.59 low range, which cars did they come in?

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:53 pm
by Silverbullet
JP147 wrote:It went alright with small wheels, but there was a lot less traction and a lot of bottoming out.

Was there a 3.9 box in the MY Leone? And what about the 5 speed manual with the 1.59 low range, which cars did they come in?
MY series 5 speed were all 2WD I believe. There are some years of L series touring wagon that had all 3.9 stuff in them, good excuse for an L series conversion ;) Although may be a bit daunting to try it on a weekend when you need the car back Monday.

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:35 pm
by JP147
I had a look around, it does look like a lot of work for one weekend. I might wait until I have a garage to use and my Datsun is running again.

I guess a 3.8 diff won't fit into an MY 4 speed box?

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:07 pm
by El_Freddo
The 3.9 diff ratio'd 5 speeds came in the "series I" L series up to 1987. '87 was the cross over year from the series I to series II. Hard to find these days!

You could fit the 3.9 diff ratio into the 4 speed, but this would require you to press every gear off the pinion shaft and back on with the 4 speed gears - if the pinion shafts are the same.

You'd be better off getting a forester AWD gearbox with 4.111:1s - your EA81 would love you for it. You would have to case this gearbox in an L series dual range casing and mod the synchro hub to use the L series low range with the EJ gear ;) Totally worth it though if you want to play with gearboxes and "do things properly"!

Cheers

Bennie

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:25 am
by taza
I'd personally go 5speed L series box. Easy to fit, the bonus of 5 gears and proper low range gearing.

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:58 am
by JP147
Alright, I think I will go with a 5 speed from a series 1 L. It looks like a bit more work than I can do in a weekend though, so I will leave it for a bit until I have more time and money, and get the Datsun going so I can get to work.
I have a few questions though.

Is it possible to use the original L series linkages with no mods, and just cut the floor a little?

How do you mount the centre bearing for the tailshaft? Weld some metal to the floor and drill and tap it?

My car has a different clutch (225mm) to most MYs as it was made in December '84. Is this helpful?

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:26 pm
by taza
Yes it can. Ive done it in a brumby. Ive left the linkages and cut the floor about 20mm further back. Then just drilled a hole and made a little bracket to hold the whole linkage.

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:08 pm
by Gannon
While sorta on this topic, can you bolt an EJ gearbox behind an EA motor using an adapter plate?

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:08 pm
by El_Freddo
I've never tried it, but I think you can do that - as to wether the clutch would work in relation to the flywheel I don't know.

Do you want to be the Guinea Pig on this one Gannon?

Cheers

Bennie

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:07 pm
by purp
I'm sure I've read a thread on here from someone who put an ej awd box behind an ea in their road going car... Can't find it though.

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:43 pm
by El_Freddo
I think it was Jonno that wrote one up here.

I don't know if he's ever got around to building one but I've got plans for one in the future for the Redback Brumby :twisted: Only because AWD is the best in wet conditions!

Cheers

Bennie