electric power system, electronic supercharger ??

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:19 pm

ad in zoom mag http://www.cre8tec.com.au
two or three wire hook up performance gear brought to you by Guang Dao ??????????????????????????????????????????????

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:29 pm

i hope it works better than the web page

it does nothing, not interactive, no entry point

what was that box Brocky was laughed at for using and promoting ??

MUDRAT · Post by **MUDRAT** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:43 pm

The Polarizer. I've heard those little electric fans can actually reduce power due to the obstruction they create in the inlet tract.

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:13 pm

There was an article about an electric supercharger in a hot4s mag.
It used 3 large batteries, really heavy gauge wire and an elecctric supercharger.

The sysem charges while you are driving and when activated will give a boost of i think 6-8psi, but it only lasts for about 15 seconds.

I will see if i can borrow that mag and i will elaborate

Gannon

eggy · Post by **eggy** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:02 pm

Hi Guys, My name is Ivor...cre8tec's Product Manager.
we have been in this biz since beginning of 2006.
Sold a few hundreds units into OZ market.

Most of our EPS-R were taken by EVOs and WRXs.

Instead of giving out "manipulated" Dyno chart, we want our customer to FEEL the difference. We have satisfaction guarantee... you feel no difference? we give you $$ back...

I can be contacted via email: [email protected]
or mobile 0414600909, if you are in Sydney, we can arrange an on-site installation. I can SHOW you the difference it makes.

Cheers~

tim_81coupe · Post by **tim_81coupe** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:43 pm

One would have to doubt the validity of this product when the website states:

By strengthen the electrical system and reduce the resistance, engine and all electrical equipment performance/efficiency are increased.

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I'm not a wires man by trade or anything but that statement makes no sense. The most I can make from that is that you are using thicker than factory cabling. What does the little electrical box in the kit do? Does it step the voltage up to 14V or something? Not convinced at all this kit is worth $1000.

Eggy, the people of this forum don't drive GX Impreza's slammed to the floor with 19" wheels and neon racing pedals. A lot of us drive the machines we built, and we take pride in being as honest as possible about everything we do to our cars.

To convince me of its worth, could you perhaps divulge some technical data on the kit and how it works. I don't want to hear phrases like "Power kicks in at lower RPM" or "Stabilized Engine idling" when the same effect can be had by a simple service (ie replacing leads and plugs). I want to know how such catchphrases (or should I say cliche's in todays automotive industry?) can be backed up. Obviously I'm not asking for design data or secrets, but I want to know how it works rather than what it does.

Thankyou.

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:00 pm

By strengthen the electrical system and reduce the resistance, engine and all electrical equipment performance/efficiency are increased.

I see that as just an improved earthing/grounding system. With maybe an improved positive wire to the ecu. The only real advantage i see to that is reduced voltage drop.

I dont really see how this would make that much difference.

But i am willing to learn,.... So Eggy,... please elaborate

Gannon

MUDRAT · Post by **MUDRAT** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:42 pm

Electric fan pumps more air into engine, engine makes more power . . . to drive the alternator, to run the electric fan.

First law of Thermodynamics.

For a power adder like that to work, it must use an unutilised or "waste" energy created as a byproduct of the engine, ie heat and pressure from the exhaust to drive a turbine to pump more air into the engine.

But then again what would I know about Thermodynamics?

eggy · Post by **eggy** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:47 pm

I have to thank for Tim's honest advice. and Hi.....Suparoo~

first i have to say, I am not an engineer. so please excuse me if I said something none-sense to you guys.
but i will try my best to explain.

Those little "pumps" inside the device are capacitors.
the sizes and numbers are carefully designed to filter out electric noise at different RPM.
I said carefully designed...... becoz......this device should....
1. suitable for all 12V cars
2. Withstand heat and moist
3. long lasting (I am not talking about months, I am talking about 10+ years)
4. Not to consume the battery (engine OFF)
5. Not to short circuit itself or any other electronics

Suparoo... you are right..... they reduce the voltage drop.
if you ask me ... would that make much difference?
Theoretically, NO...
My own experience, YES!

Oh.. and I am not trying to make some sales here. Just want to make some friends and probably listen to advices...
Most of people trust Dyno charts, but I really don't... I rather trust myself if I have a chance to try the product.

Before working for Cre8tec/GuangDao, I was an end-user like you. I then had a chance to try all the products. I think these gonna sell...

anyway... I am based in Sydney, Lindfield 2070. Anyone is welcomed to come and try. (I have more info/pictures on hands to show)
HOT4S and MRT are having my EPS-R for testing right now. Let's wait and see.

Any more queries, don't hesitate to ask...

MUDRAT · Post by **MUDRAT** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:53 pm

Sorry, I was on the wrong track thinking this was one of the "electric superchargers".

My mistake, appologies all round.

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:54 pm

Mudrat flying off on the wrong tangent...I've done that too before today

I guess many of us are going to be critical of a box and some wires as most of us have experienced physical changes to our various cars and other toys to see or feel the differences, but to hook up a box as depicted in the Zoom magazine we'd all having to be doubting Thomas's

Electrical properties are often taught likened to water because we can see water but generally not see electricity so helps visualise things. I have forgotten, is it volts is like water pressure , maybe that is amps.

Anyway , you know how it is hard to believe the force that a stream or wave has ? maybe that is just like what this box does to the electrical power sytems in our cars

Smoov is a Sydneysider , volunteering to be a guinea pig if eggy is willing to strap one in for an afternoon blat ?

this has got to be the first time a product supplier has come in to talk - must have google set up pretty good or is it complex cookies ?

nice to see you in here eggy, I'll have to haVe another try at your website

Peter Brock calling in too ?

fredsub · Post by **fredsub** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:53 am

is it really so easy to fleece people off their money ?

Eg a better grounding system...dazzle fools with jigery pokey terms...$1000 Please

Jaycar sell beauty heavy gauge cable for hi power car audio - couldn't do better than use that for replacing some of the wiring for ECU/fuel injectors/fuel pump.

tim_81coupe · Post by **tim_81coupe** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:30 am

jono wrote:Smoov is a Sydneysider , volunteering to be a guinea pig if eggy is willing to strap one in for an afternoon blat?

Smoov's Corona would be the perfect candidate ]Electrical properties are often taught likened to water because we can see water but generally not see electricity so helps visualise things. I have forgotten, is it volts is like water pressure , maybe that is amps.[/quote]
Volts - volume of water. Amps - pressure. Watts - total amount of water provided.
So using that analogy this kit replaces those crusty old lead pipes running throughout the old Soob with brand new you-beaut teflon coated silicon piping. Should get things going along nicely eh?

Answer is no. I'm still not convinced that this $1000 kit will do anything that a bloke in his driveway with a screwdriver and a can of carby cleaner couldn't do. Here's why.

eggy wrote: Those little "pumps" inside the device are capacitors.
the sizes and numbers are carefully designed to filter out electric noise at different RPM.
I said carefully designed...... becoz......this device should....
1. suitable for all 12V cars
2. Withstand heat and moist
3. long lasting (I am not talking about months, I am talking about 10+ years)
4. Not to consume the battery (engine OFF)
5. Not to short circuit itself or any other electronics

OK, so these capacitors filter out electrical noise. I'm guessing the electrical noise we are targeting in this instance is noise interfering with the ignition system. ECU's are already well shielded, if you don't beleive me pop one open and have a gander.
So, what are the possible side effects of this noise in the ignition system? Possibly a misfire? A coil pack sparking one full moment away from when it was supposed to? I'm not convinced.
As for voltage drop to the ECU, I'm sure the sparkies here (Chris, Dave) could back me up when I say its curable simply by running a thicker power cable. I'm sure they'd back me up even more if I said that this volt drop is negligible.

I can't see an application where this system would be worth its money. $1000 can be much better spent on something else that will improve driveability and or horsepower. For instance, the WRX boys could get a set of even length headers installed for that price. Or a Walbro pump and a set of 440cc injectors.
$1000 to most of the people on these boards is a lot of money. Now I know this sounds ironic coming from the guy who's spent many thousands of dollars doing up 20 year old cars but it is the truth. To someone running a stock EA81 or EA82 (which is a large proportion of people on these boards) this kit will make 2/3rds of half a horsepower difference. I'd put money on a quick adjustment of the dizzy and a tank of premium making more of a difference than this kit. And for the EJ-endowed, conversion job or not, this kit will perhaps make a tad more than when installed on an EA. Replacing those crappy factory battery terminals with aftermarket brass ones will make more difference.

Sorry to harp on and diss your product Eggy, but realistically noone in their right minds is going to spend $1000 on that kit. Especially when its only got about $50 worth of materials in it.

MUDRAT · Post by **MUDRAT** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:54 am

Just to set the record straight:

Volts = electrical "pressure"
Amps = electrical "flow" or current
Ohms = electrical resistance or "friction"
Power = ammount of "work" the electricity can do, ie a function of Volts and Amps.

Cynical · Post by **Cynical** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:54 am

I'm an electronics tech by trade, and after reading the website my first assumption was caps, i'm no engineer, but i can't see the difference this would make in comparison to maybe a 1 farad cap($100) from jaycar, and some good rewiring to battery terminals and earth.

just my 2c

Cynical

eggy · Post by **eggy** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:45 am

It's good to see people coming from different background on this board.
Yeah... it tends to raise a lot of debates when the "new" technology comes out...

Oh.... I was talking about our ES series, not the ESC series. Prices can be checked on website. (product made from $50 worth of material selling at $169 RRP, I think it's quite reasonable regardless a few years of research and long term testing on over 1000 cars)

Any Sydneysiders willing to come out and have a chat? and possibly "feel" the difference? SMOOV you there?

to Cynical: most of NEW car owners think the same. they have brand new battery/system/wirings.
True case:I have a customer just bought Camry2.4Auto, he called me up after 2 days of ownership and said he was quite disappointed about the engine power. He was in Miranda area. I know this customer is looking for POWER. I went to his place and showed him our EPS-S($299)... He said he feels his car is on OVER-DRIVE (for those people drive TOYOTA, you should know what the overdrive is)... but he said it's not enough, he wants more, then I showed him EPS-R($499)... He said it certainly makes BIG difference.

Our products have being used by Racing teams in HongKong. I have scanned copy of the racing mag from HK. anyone can email me and ask for a copy of that, I am quite happy to give out.

as I said before, I am not an engineer. trying the product would worth more than 1000 words of explanation and debating.

have sold over 500 units (different models) to OZ market since Feb2006 on "Try before you pay" basis.

MUDRAT · Post by **MUDRAT** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:50 pm

I would really like to see a before and after dyno chart, it'd sure convince me on this matter.

Until then I'll remain silently skeptical.

LOL @ Camry owner who wants more POWER!!!

eggy · Post by **eggy** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:17 pm

Yeah...I have dynos

email me to ask for dynos.........

GTlegs · Post by **GTlegs** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:50 pm

Is this setup like the MSD 6 series ignition boxes? They use capacitors as well and reroute the ignition system through their own ground.

eggy · Post by **eggy** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:59 pm

They probably work on the same principle.
but MSD only works on spark plug which is only small part of our job.

any queries are welcomed!

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