eco modding an L series

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Thu May 24, 2012 10:32 pm

Yo Spike, does LPG conversion feature in your eco guide ?

fredsub · Post by **fredsub** » Fri May 25, 2012 1:06 am

being anal about eco modding a L series ? nutz

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

even for a AWD its the wrong type of car........we don't really
need AWD on Australian roads unless your in the alpine regions for
any great safety benefit.

A pity it is not economic to have 2 cars with one being the eco purpose vehicle,:( because it cost $1000 or more just the rego and insurance one vehicle, that $1000 goes a long way to contribute to fuel for your beast
to cover those short not enviro friendly shopping trips.

spike · Post by **spike** » Fri May 25, 2012 3:06 pm

steptoe wrote:Yo Spike, does LPG conversion feature in your eco guide ?

technically it would, but it comes under the whole economic vs ecological thing. I need something based more on economic side, where the costs must be fairly cheap and make the car cheaper to run.

fredsub wrote:being anal about eco modding a L series ? nutz :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

even for a AWD its the wrong type of car........we don't really
need AWD on Australian roads unless your in the alpine regions for
any great safety benefit.

A pity it is not economic to have 2 cars with one being the eco purpose vehicle,:( because it cost $1000 or more just the rego and insurance one vehicle, that $1000 goes a long way to contribute to fuel for your beast
to cover those short not enviro friendly shopping trips.

yeah it is, i simply cant afford to get one of my others going

yeah AWD isn't really necessary, but i need the 4WD for my drive way (ill have to do a video of it later) especially in the rain.

yes and that comes down to politics and revenue raising...insurance and rego should be incorporated into your licence cost. Well welcome to australia............

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Fri May 25, 2012 6:38 pm

Some of us need to move in with T'subaru - $40 rego tags !!

sven '2' · Post by **sven '2'** » Fri May 25, 2012 6:57 pm

'Welcome to Australia'? Yep any day of the week, and damn proud of it.

When I lived in Germany, car licence back then was about AUD$3,000 - mind you, there were autobahns!

Motor bike? Scooter? Both are cheap if you that pressed for da fold'in. I had a postie scooter during uni - C90 I think - was soooo cheap to run.

Silverbullet · Post by **Silverbullet** » Sat May 26, 2012 12:21 am

sven '2' wrote:'Welcome to Australia'? Yep any day of the week, and damn proud of it.

When I lived in Germany, car licence back then was about AUD$3,000 - mind you, there were autobahns!

Motor bike? Scooter? Both are cheap if you that pressed for da fold'in. I had a postie scooter during uni - C90 I think - was soooo cheap to run.

Haha yes I was going to get a postie bike while I was at school and such, a Honda CT110 I had my eyes on. But I found decent ones start at $1k and then I saw someone who wasn't a postman riding one and thought, nah I couldn't ride around on one of those

olddog642 · Post by **olddog642** » Sat May 26, 2012 12:39 am

Motor bike? Scooter? Both are cheap if you that pressed for da fold'in. I had a postie scooter during uni - C90 I think - was soooo cheap to run.[/QUOTE]

Yeah the good old postie bike is now a CT 110 and they are fetching in the region of $1000 dollars at the auction house for a 3 year old model which is about the time span the postal service sell them off or around the 20-30 thousand kilometer mark. I rode one for a fair while doing deliveries no not postal but the ubiquitous pamphlets and also bought one for the ex to ride. They are a real good economical machine and the amount of fun and places they will go is astounding, about three years ago a group of about ten travelled completely around Australia, if you don't like the colour paint it, stick a milk crate on the bac, hell there are heaps of things you could do to change it's appearance
Hylton:twisted:

spike · Post by **spike** » Sat May 26, 2012 12:46 am

sven '2' wrote:'Welcome to Australia'? Yep any day of the week, and damn proud of it.

When I lived in Germany, car licence back then was about AUD$3,000 - mind you, there were autobahns!

Motor bike? Scooter? Both are cheap if you that pressed for da fold'in. I had a postie scooter during uni - C90 I think - was soooo cheap to run.

could be worse we could be america....... jks sorry tsubaru (there's someone else whos a regular i cant remember right now)

there's just so much more every country could do to fix the problems but wont, seems the government are bending over backwards to the people with the money

something america does brilliantly is the fact to sell items there they must be partially owned by an american company, arnotts in america is part owned by a big american company, but sadly this doesnt work both ways just look at the worlds biggest cattle ranch and the fact that 15 of the biggest cotton farms on the murray darling probably to be rooted to bugary and using the murray water too

any way back to the bike thing, if i could afford one outright it would work but id still have to keep a bike and the L series on the road and all that. I was thinking of putting a lawnmower engine on a pushy that i found but still doesnt solve many problems i dont go anywhere to use the bike

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Sat May 26, 2012 10:06 am

The current Government (Federal) is fighting for its life and taxing everything it can to replace money given away on Kevs "GFC" watch .
Pandering to the Greens , need their preferences , forced all this green legislation inc the C02 tax .
Making manufacturing uneconomic in Australia is destroying businesses and putting thousands of people out of work . Thats what happens when the people at the top in government believe in rabid socialism and terrors like world banking and world government .
Next time you think of the big businesses in mining etc stop and think about how many thousands of Australians they employ and how many products and services they obtain locally .
The Chinese do it differently , they supply their own workforce and source EVERYTHING from overseas .
The Gillard Swan Labor Government will do anything and sell out everyone to remain afloat . This is what blind faith in socialism does and fewer are more that way inclined than Luliar .
I was dead set against workchoices and there are no guarantees that team Rabbit would be perfect but something has to be done to stop the current rot taking place .

Bradenrm · Post by **Bradenrm** » Sat May 26, 2012 12:37 pm

Fwiw...driving instructors and vicroads are quite particular about always maintaining control over the vehicle. You will record critical errors for coasting in neutral and instant test over for turning off your engine (brake assistance off? Power steering? ). You can have your opinions and thoughts but that doesn't mean you're entitled to compromise your control over all vehicle functions in exactly they same way that a hoon might think 140 in an 80 zone is controlled and safe.. Acceleration is important as are brakes for hazardous situations.

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Ed: new to tapatalk and tablets thought I was replying to they newest post oops lol

olddog642 · Post by **olddog642** » Sat May 26, 2012 3:07 pm

Sent from my A12 using Tapatalk 2

Ed: new to tapatalk and tablets thought I was replying to they newest post oops lol[/QUOTE]

Ehehehe still in my opinion can't beat sent from my desktop.
Hylton:twisted:

spike · Post by **spike** » Sun May 27, 2012 11:42 am

this thread has gone from ecomodding to intelligence bashing to why the Subaru is so inefficient to why Australia is better (or worse) than other places........... lols

Bradenrm wrote:Fwiw...driving instructors and vicroads are quite particular about always maintaining control over the vehicle. You will record critical errors for coasting in neutral and instant test over for turning off your engine (brake assistance off? Power steering? ). You can have your opinions and thoughts but that doesn't mean you're entitled to compromise your control over all vehicle functions in exactly they same way that a hoon might think 140 in an 80 zone is controlled and safe.. Acceleration is important as are brakes for hazardous situations.

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Ed: new to tapatalk and tablets thought I was replying to they newest post oops lol

yeah there's so much that's illegal that in my mind shouldn't be... going more than 10 kmh under the posted speed limit without a good reason is illegal, something about impeding traffic flow and driving dangerously.
Driving in the rain is the same you can get done for dangerous driving for driving at the speed limit or anywhere about what the police officer thinks is unsafe, if he or she would only drive at 10kmh in the rain and your doing 30 you can get done.....

the problem i see coming up in this thread (setting aside the fact this is about vehicle modification instead of driving choices) is what the laws and rules are based on. If we modify (as long as its a legal modification) a vehicle so that it automatically turns the engine off we cant get fined or done, its not our fault the engine turned itself off, same as the power steering and assisted brakes 3 of the cars i have at home (non subaru) don't have any of it.

i get that i can have my personal opinions (+1 for Australia) but in that same way a lot of people are forced to respect that in the modern world. Case in point, when i worked as a life guard we had a Muslim (i think they were Muslim, not race bashing) family walked into the pool and told the 3 female lifeguards they were to leave, the boss had to comply with this and put everyone safety at risk.
police are in the same boat

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Sun May 27, 2012 12:25 pm

If you are really going to go to all this trouble, forget the L series and buy something that was built for efficiency, like a Honda Insight

spike · Post by **spike** » Sun May 27, 2012 6:40 pm

Gannon wrote:If you are really going to go to all this trouble, forget the L series and buy something that was built for efficiency, like a Honda Insight

everyone seems to bring up get something else, A i cant afford anything ATM and B i need somEthing big enough for scouts (probably the only reason i still have a car)

jamiec · Post by **jamiec** » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:51 pm

Hi i am looking at doing some mods to improve the economy of my L wagon. Great to find this topic here and hope i can help some. And before anyone says get a differant car i need something with 4wd as i live on the west coast of Tasmania and some times have snow and ice to get through.

I am wanting to get a complete ea82 motor to do an economy build on it so i can keep driving then just do a change over one weekend.

I have done some economy mods to cars before with great results.And one of the best mods to help is the singh grooves these are cut into the squish pad in the combustion chamber of the cylinder head. And there is lots of squish pad area in these motors.I would like to get the compression up around 11-11.5 to 1 as the higher the compression the more efficient the motor and this will be built to run standed 91 octane fuel. this is where the singh grooves help as well as to increase the low to mid rpm torque big time
as i have noted on 4 cars that i have used these grooves on before.Plus the grooves alone improve the economy.and the greater torqeu means less gear changing on hills etc.Also want to high flow the exhaust through the head all the way to the rear outlet.Run a hotter thermostat leaner carb setting.

Will be looking into improving the airflow as well to reduce the drag.

Cheers Jamie

spike · Post by **spike** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:46 pm

jamiec wrote:Hi i am looking at doing some mods to improve the economy of my L wagon. Great to find this topic here and hope i can help some. And before anyone says get a differant car i need something with 4wd as i live on the west coast of Tasmania and some times have snow and ice to get through.

I am wanting to get a complete ea82 motor to do an economy build on it so i can keep driving then just do a change over one weekend.

I have done some economy mods to cars before with great results.And one of the best mods to help is the singh grooves these are cut into the squish pad in the combustion chamber of the cylinder head. And there is lots of squish pad area in these motors.I would like to get the compression up around 11-11.5 to 1 as the higher the compression the more efficient the motor and this will be built to run standed 91 octane fuel. this is where the singh grooves help as well as to increase the low to mid rpm torque big time
as i have noted on 4 cars that i have used these grooves on before.Plus the grooves alone improve the economy.and the greater torqeu means less gear changing on hills etc.Also want to high flow the exhaust through the head all the way to the rear outlet.Run a hotter thermostat leaner carb setting.

Will be looking into improving the airflow as well to reduce the drag.

Cheers Jamie

I dont want to go into too much discussion here about the singh (sin) grooves but ive never EVER seen any improvement out of these. On a L series it would be suicide, personally i don't believe the work but what i have noticed is that they cause a place to rupture the HG and this is one of the things i hate doing in the Ls.

While its true combustion chamber shape can effect the efficiency of a burn its more than a little groove can do.

If your really brave try and get a EJ20 and bolt it in it gives a lot more tun-ability than the EA, I would be using this option but cant afford it and SA cracks down on this sort of thing.

jamiec · Post by **jamiec** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:52 pm

Well i have used these grooves on 4 cars now with great results so i will try them on the suby to and hope they work.

Cheers Jamie