Non factory wheel info.

FujiFan · Post by **FujiFan** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:57 pm

Thank you Paul (RSR555) for your info re: non factory wheel and tyre sizes on the now closed thread. Really useful info for myself. Other members with such mods or considering would benefit from this valuable info (facts).

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:50 am

No probs sir.. just remember that each State is different, so best to check before you buy

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:28 am

although it seems each state should not be different but rather use the standard that is thought to be in place nationally. Never seek a tyre placard affixed to a vehicle as required with state differences indicated. Nationally referred to book by NJOY should be on the shelves of every tyre shop (inside a humidicrib style cabinet so the print does not get covered in tyre grot) and authorised inspection stations.

FROG · Post by **FROG** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:39 am

http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/qt/driv ... ations.pdf

Rim Size
The rim diameter may be varied from the standard size
but the overall diameter of the tyre must not vary by more
than +15 mm or -26 mm.
These limits have been set for a number of reasons. Varying
the overall diameter of tyres affects ground clearance, centre
of gravity, brake effectiveness, steering geometry,
performance and speedometer accuracy.
Generally, to meet these limits, 60 series tyres are fitted to rims with a diameter increase of 26 mm larger than standard and
50 series tyres are fitted to rims with a diameter 50 mm
larger than standard.

General Conditions for Alternative Rims and Tyres
The rims and tyres must not protrude beyond the bodywork
of the vehicle, including flares, when viewed from above and
when the wheels are facing straight ahead. If the vehicle was
originally constructed with a portion of the wheel protruding,
the wheels must not protrude further than originally constructed.

LOW PROFILE TYRE STANDARD TYRE 16
The tyre to rim fitting and the tyre to rim combination must
be in accordance with the Tyre and Rim Standards Manual
published by the Tyre and Rim Association of Australia.
Reputable tyre retailers should have this information
and be able to advise on the correct combinations.
All rims fitted to an axle must be of the same diameter, width
and offset. They must not have a circumferential weld other
than that which attaches the outer rim to the centre.
All rims must have stud hole pitch circle diameters appropriate
to the hub. Wheel nut tapers must be appropriate to the wheel
and must engage the thread of the wheel studs for at least the
same length as the nuts provided by the vehicle manufacturer.
Slotted and elongated stud holes are not permitted.
The fitting of spacers between wheels and hubs, additional to
those provided by the vehicle manufacturer, is not permitted.
The tyre and rim must not foul wheel arches or suspension
components under any conditions. Steering limit stops should
not be adjusted to reduce the turning circle in order to allow
the fitting of the tyres and rims.
The tyres must have a tread depth of at least 1.5 mm on every
part of the tyre that touches the road and not have any
apparent defect that is likely to make the vehicle to which
they are fitted unsafe. It is not permitted to fit tyres that have
been treated by recutting or regrooving unless the tyre has
been marked by the original manufacturer as suitable for
recutting or regrooving.

Tyres
The maximum tyre width must not be more than 1.3 times wider than the vehicle manufacturers widest optional tyre.
However, in the case of off-road passenger vehicles fitted with front and rear
beam axles, the maximum tyre width must not be more than
1.5 times larger than the manufacturers widest optional tyre.
The nominal width of the narrowest tyre fitted to a vehicle must
not be less than 70 percent of the nominal width of the largest
tyre fitted and never less than the vehicle manufacturers
narrowest optional tyre as indicated on the manufacturers
tyre placard.

17 Speed and Load Ratings
The speed rating of all tyres must be:
(a) a speed of at least:
(i) for an off-road passenger vehicle - 140km/h; or
(ii) for another car (sedan, station wagon etc.) up to 9 adult
seating positions or a car derivative - 180km/h; or
(iii) for another motor vehicle - 120km/h; or
(b) the vehicles top speed, if lower.
Load ratings of tyres must be at least equal to those specified
by the manufacturer on the tyre placard fitted to vehicles made
after 1972. For other vehicles, the load rating of a tyre must
be capable of carrying the part of the vehicle’s gross mass
carried by the tyre.

Tyre Construction
Tyre thread compounds, patterns, ply ratings and performance
characteristics vary. Tyre construction (e.g. radial) and size must
be the same on the same axle. Although it is recommended
that the tyres are identical (i.e. same brand and tread pattern),
this is not mandatory.

Vehicle Track
Track is measured at ground level from the centre of the tyre
on one side to the centre of the corresponding tyre on the
opposite side of the vehicle. Front and rear track differs on
many vehicles.

The wheel track must not be reduced to less than the standard
track specified by the vehicle manufacturer for the particular
model of vehicle.
The track of a car or car derivative may be increased by up to
26 mm beyond the maximum specified by the vehicle
manufacturer for the particular model of vehicle. Off-road
passenger vehicles fitted with front and rear beam axles,
may have an increase in track up to 50 mm beyond the
maximum specified by the vehicle manufacturer for the
particular model of vehicle.
Wheel Marking
Vehicles built on or after 1 July 1985 must be fitted with
original wheels or replacement wheels which are indelibly
marked in accordance with approved standards.

These include:
Standards Australia;
Wheel Industries Association (Australia);
Technischer Uberwachungen Verein; and
Japanese Industrial Standards.
Markings must include diameter, width, offset and the
manufacturers trade mark or logo and be located so that
they are readily visible when the wheel is correctly installed
on the vehicle.

Composite Wheels
The use of composite wheels (two or three-piece) is
permitted. They must be manufactured and marked in
accordance with the standards described above if fitted
to vehicles manufactured after 1 July 1985.

Very useful information Paul

Post by **TOONGA** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:49 am

Having read that and knowing that WA is a nanna state when it comes to cars Im pretty sure my 215/65/14s might be a tad over the "maximum manufacturer recommended tyre size"

good thing Im an "old fart"

TOONGA

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:25 am

steptoe wrote:although it seems each state should not be different but rather use the standard that is thought to be in place nationally. Never seek a tyre placard affixed to a vehicle as required with state differences indicated. Nationally referred to book by NJOY should be on the shelves of every tyre shop (inside a humidicrib style cabinet so the print does not get covered in tyre grot) and authorised inspection stations.

Tyre placards are put on by the factory not the states.. so they will all be the same and this is what the DOT will follow when it comes to checking what size/type wheels are fitted. If tyre shops had to follow the required law.. well.. they would lose 1/2 their sales.

FROG wrote:Very useful information Paul

I hope so and I'm sure most states would be very close to this

TOONGA wrote:Having read that and knowing that WA is a nanna state when it comes to cars Im pretty sure my 215/65/14s might be a tad over the "maximum manufacturer recommended tyre size"

good thing Im an "old fart"

TOONGA

Yes and Yes but we already knew that both of these statements were true

FujiFan · Post by **FujiFan** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:31 am

Gentlemen, last night I fired off an email to Scorpion regarding another possible batch of their 14x6 wheels for MY and L's. Yes many of you now use 25 nuts to keep your rims on your ride, but I figured what the hay, I'd buy a set!
Heres hoping..

FujiFan · Post by **FujiFan** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:32 am

I mean 20 nuts

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:49 am

FujiFan wrote:Gentlemen, last night I fired off an email to Scorpion regarding another possible batch of their 14x6 wheels for MY and L's. Yes many of you now use 25 nuts to keep your rims on your ride, but I figured what the hay, I'd buy a set!
Heres hoping..

FujiFan wrote:I mean 20 nuts

Sounds like you're going nuts

hehe but would like to see what these rims look like.. got any pics?

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:14 pm

Found some

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/14-RIMS-27-MUD-T ... 1c18a3ce61

sven '2' · Post by **sven '2'** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:42 pm

RSR 555 wrote:Found some

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/14-RIMS-27-MUD-T ... 1c18a3ce61

Price is right up there - cleary he/she knows their value.

They rool purdy on Ls - even unlifted ones - serving suggestion

Sven

FujiFan · Post by **FujiFan** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:53 pm

Yes thems the ones. 950 clams starting bid, tell him he's dreaming:)

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:58 pm

sven '2' wrote:Price is right up there - cleary he/she knows their value.

They rool purdy on Ls - even unlifted ones - serving suggestion

Sven

very nice.. me likes

FujiFan · Post by **FujiFan** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:34 pm

Yes me likes to! For now will have to settle for my not so compliant "rims"

I aint going to fork out 1G for scratched up Scorpions with a tyre brand I would never touch.

sven '2' · Post by **sven '2'** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:41 pm

FujiFan wrote:Yes thems the ones. 950 clams starting bid, tell him he's dreaming:)

Sure, but try and find others, esp in a set of five, with good rubber, to put it up their starting price...

Makes me wish I had an L still - simpler, more funner times...

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:01 pm

Yeah Scorpions are definitely the 'Bees' Knees' of L series steel rims in my books

From memory, they were around $1000 a set new.

FujiFan · Post by **FujiFan** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:21 pm

I believe they are about the only compliant 14"'s for these cars. I could almost justify 1g for a brand spankers set of 5 all to my own. I have not yet yet recieved a reply from Scorpion about another product run for these:(

sven '2' · Post by **sven '2'** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:08 pm

FujiFan wrote:Yes me likes to! For now will have to settle for my not so compliant "rims"

Nice wheels but.

Just needs a little flare as discussed recently in other threads to satisfy the protrusion concerns.

FROG · Post by **FROG** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:19 pm

Mmmm interesting
I might have a chance of 8 rims brand new in box " white spoked accessory rim"
I'll have to see if still available and what amount of subie tokens are required to aquire

FujiFan · Post by **FujiFan** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:24 pm

Have considered flares or guard rolling.
The tyres are Toyo F600 R14/60/185. Very nice gripping tyre, good in the wet, Have survived the occasional unsealed abuse and some:).

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Non factory wheel info.

Non factory wheel info.

I digress!

I aint no good at math.