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Oil reserves, a must read!!

Post by Outback bloke » Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:55 pm

There is an email doing the rounds at the moment about the oil reserves in the US. I have attached it here. It sort of enforces the thought that we are constantly being ripped off for fuel.

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[font=&quot]Here's an interesting read, important and verifiable information :

About 6 months ago, the writer was watching a news program on oil and one of
the Forbes Bros. was the guest. The host said to Forbes, "I am going to ask
you a direct question and I would like a direct answer; how much oil does
the U.S. have in the ground?" Forbes did not miss a beat, he said, "more
than all the Middle East put together." Please read below.

The U. S. Geological Service issued a report in April 2008 that only
scientists and oil men knew was coming, but man was it big. It was a
revised report (hadn't been updated since 1995) on how much oil was in this
area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota, western South Dakota, and extreme
eastern Montana ..... check THIS out:

The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska's Prudhoe Bay,
and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil.
The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion
barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable... at $107 a barrel,
we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5..3 trillion.

"When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their
jaws hit the floor. They had no idea.." says Terry Johnson, the Montana
Legislature's financial analyst.

"This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in
the past 56 years," reports The Pittsburgh Post Gazette. It's a formation
known as the Williston Basin, but is more commonly referred to as the
'Bakken.' It stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and
into Canada. For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead
end. Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells
decades ago. However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the
Bakken's massive reserves.... and we now have access of up to 500 billion
barrels. And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels
will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!

That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 2041 years
straight. And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then this next one
should - because it's from 2006!

U. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World

Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006

Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the
largest untapped oil reserve in the world It is more than 2 TRILLION
barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction. In three
and a half years of high oil prices none has been extracted. With this
motherload of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore drilling?

They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our borders, than
all the other proven reserves on earth. Here are the official estimates:

- 8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia

- 18-times as much oil as Iraq

- 21-times as much oil as Kuwait

- 22-times as much oil as Iran

- 500-times as much oil as Yemen

- and it's all right here in the Western United States .

HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the
environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America become
independent of foreign oil! Again, we are letting a small group of people
dictate our lives and our economy.....WHY?

James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in this
very compact area than the entire Middle East -more than 2 TRILLION barrels
untapped. That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the
world today, reports The Denver Post.

Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price - even with this find? Think again!
It's all about the competitive marketplace, - it has to. Think OPEC just
might be funding the environmentalists?

Got your attention yet? Now, while you're thinking about it, do this:

Pass this along. If you don't take a little time to do this, then you
should stifle yourself the next time you complain about gas prices - by
doing NOTHING, you forfeit your right to complain.

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Now I just wonder what would happen in this country if every one of you sent
this to every one in your address book

By the way...this is all true. Check it out at the link below!!!

GOOGLE it, or follow this link. It will blow your mind.

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911
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Post by maxxair » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:07 pm

yup. cons4sure
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Post by tex » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:51 pm

When I was working in Canada some of the blokes I worked with used to be electricians up in the oil sands but up there they were working on the fact that if oil fell below $60 Canadian a barrel it would start costing them money.
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Post by maxxair » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:06 pm

its expensive getting the oil from the sands, and u end up with large piles of leftovers. but im sure you know more about it than me.

BTW> how is it working in canada? im a mechanical Fitter and have considered working there, just worried about the coldness and its effects on hands/tools ect. any insight would be much appreciated, cheers.
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Post by fredsub » Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:45 pm

a lot of emotive untruth in there, obviously hoping you'd be too lazy to check the sources.
The U.S. Geological Survey assessment says 3-4.3 billion barrels.
The 500billion is purely unsubstantiated, and a draft study.

4.3billion is nothing to be excited about.

Google US oil consumption and you find 20million barrels PER day consumed in 2007, probably more now.
so get your calculator out
4.3E9 / 20E6 = 215 DAYS!!

And that oil is still hard to get, even though refining it may be cheaper.

I think everyone is clutching at straws trying to deny peak oil.
That's what that email is.
For sure all the great pools of oil have been discovered, probably be more finds such as that one (Bakken Formation), but all hard to get.
It'll slow but not stop the inevitable - no oil.
When that hits the fan the world will be in a pile of shit, and blimey by then a world population of 12Billion, things could get ugly.
No wonder China is going full bore to catch up, no concern of pollution. it sees it needs to before the oil runs out to be on par with the US.


we so love our cars don't we ? this forum is a shrine to that also,
imagine for a minute everyones cars become a lump of stationary iron,
because it will cost $50/l for the general public- what then?

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Post by Wilbur » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:04 pm

Cars aren't the only thing that use oil. I'll go out on a limb and say 99% of what we all have either has oil in it, on it and used in it's manufacturing process somewhere.
Eg...sewing machines need oiling, oil baths for quenching steel, if something you own was transported at some stage...oil!! Blah blah blah...

Gas and or electric is where automotive transport should be going. I still don't see why there isn't legislation in for making all new homes have solar panel roofs or something along those lines. Oh so people will loose jobs. Retrain them to install solar roofing, manufacture solar products, retail outlets and more transport jobs. If they want to through money at global warming because apparently humans are bad and caused it all, maybe they should be looking at cleaning up instead of taxing everything and everyone. Wankers.
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Post by GTlegs » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:15 am

Dont forget that most plastics are made of oil
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Post by Subaman » Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:34 pm

The list is huge,
found on www.google.com.au

Major products of oil refineries

Specialty end products


Oil refineries will blend various feedstocks, mix appropriate additives, provide short term storage, and prepare for bulk loading to trucks, barges, product ships, and railcars.
  • Gaseous fuels such as propane, stored and shipped in liquid form under pressure in specialized railcars to distributors.
  • Liquid fuels blending (producing automotive and aviation grades of gasoline, kerosene, various aviation turbine fuels, and diesel fuels, adding dyes, detergents, antiknock additives, oxygenates, and anti-fungal compounds as required). Shipped by barge, rail, and tanker ship. May be shipped regionally in dedicated pipelines to point consumers, particularly aviation jet fuel to major airports, or piped to distributors in multi-product pipelines using product separators called pipeline inspection gauges ("pigs").
  • Lubricants (produces light machine oils, motor oils, and greases, adding viscosity stabilizers as required), usually shipped in bulk to an offsite packaging plant.
  • Wax (paraffin), used in the packaging of frozen foods, among others. May be shipped in bulk to a site to prepare as packaged blocks.
  • Sulfur (or sulfuric acid), byproducts of sulfur removal from petroleum which may have up to a couple percent sulfur as organic sulfur-containing compounds. Sulfur and sulfuric acid are useful industrial materials. Sulfuric acid is usually prepared and shipped as the acid precursor oleum.
  • Bulk tar shipping for offsite unit packaging for use in tar-and-gravel roofing or similar uses.
  • Asphalt - used as a binder for gravel to form asphalt concrete, which is used for paving roads, lots, etc. An asphalt unit prepares bulk asphalt for shipment.
  • Petroleum coke, used in specialty carbon products such as certain types of electrodes, or as solid fuel.
  • Petrochemicals or petrochemical feedstocks, which are often sent to petrochemical plants for further processing in a variety of ways. The petrochemicals may be olefins or their precursors, or various types of aromatic petrochemicals.
Petrochemicals have a vast variety of uses. They are commonly used as monomers or feedstocks for monomer production. Olefins such as alpha-olefins and dienes are often used as monomers, although aromatics can also be used as monomer precursors. The monomers are then polymerized in various ways to form polymers. Polymer materials can be used as plastics, elastomers, or fibers, or possibly some intermediate form of these material types. Some polymers are also used as gels or lubricants. Petrochemicals can also be used as solvents or as feedstock for producing solvents. Petrochemicals can also be used as precursors for a wide variety of chemicals and substances such as vehicle fluids, surfactants for cleaners, etc.

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Post by fredsub » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:14 pm

ok so you get the picture, most of our modern civilization depends on this
relatively cheap and easy to use energy and resource called oil.
We'll be stuffed without it.

For general transport the alternative still need energy and there will be an energy crisis.
Besides the more advanced solutions also appear to need much more rare materials, such as platinium, palladium etc - PEM cells for instance.
Batteries - lithium
Even copper is getting very expensive....
And when oil is getting limited, the mining of the resources gets even more
expensive......

The resources for these aren't infinite either.........

not to mention agriculture is going to need to feed 9Billion people if we keep breeding like rabbits- will that be possible?

The current global warming concern will be just a sideshow,,,,,,,,,

not painting a very rosy future................sorry:(

is there any optimism? any at all ?:confused:

- maybe 30 years away

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Post by GOD » Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:00 am

fredsub wrote:is there any optimism? any at all ?:confused:
Yes. Technology.

50 years ago people were bleating about food shortages when the world population hit 3 billion, and look at us now - 6 billion mostly well-fed people and we're all living longer than ever.

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Post by Subaman » Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:48 am

I honestly dont think they have a clue how much oil there is. Technology will find cheaper and better ways to extract it and we also have shite loads of natural gas available too, why this is not used more in Australia is a puzzle, but I am sure it has something to do with the oil companies, after all, we sell it to china for 5c a litre or something crazy like that.

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Post by Jimmy G » Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:58 am

A good place to check any sort of circulated stories is Snopes :


http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/bakken.asp

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Post by seagull » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:57 am

New Technology Subaman

http://www.airwelloilandgas.com/

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Post by Thalass » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:27 pm

As far as transport goes, one day I won't have to worry about petrol anymore! The way I see it is that oil is a wonderful thing with a myriad of uses - so why waste it burning it once? Plastic can be re-made into new things, as can many other things. Lubricants is tricky, but with our knowledge surely alternatives could be found.

I'm more worried about food production. The reason we can feed (mostly) six billion humans (nearly seven billion) now is that the fertilizers we use are made from oil!

What we need to do is reduce the population - which is tricky. Even the two world wars only dented our population for a few years. So even genocide wouldn't really have much effect. What we need to do (seriously) is colonise other worlds. Three billion people on earth, with a few hundred million people on a few dozen other worlds.

I'd volunteer to go!
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Post by pimp2plz » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:39 pm

Interesting point of view Thalass. But I estimate that were at least 40 years form colonizing mars that's if it is even able to support life. Most people forget that oil is used in or to make almost everything in our everyday lives not just for fuel.

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Post by AndrewT » Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:42 pm

heh, now if we could just discover massive amounts of oil on other planets and bring it to earth.... :)

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Post by Thalass » Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:47 pm

Haha imagine that supertanker coming into orbit. It'd blot out the sun!
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Post by fredsub » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:55 pm

Thalass wrote:Haha imagine that supertanker coming into orbit. It'd blot out the sun!
:???:
so addicted to the stuff that importing billions of tons from off-world ??
what about our CO2 and O2 balance ?

not as far fetched as you think, lets see....titan is very methane rich, i'm sure
a chemical process to convert that to a more useful Hydrocarbon would be developed.

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Post by fredsub » Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:00 pm

GOD wrote:Yes. Technology.

50 years ago people were bleating about food shortages when the world population hit 3 billion, and look at us now - 6 billion mostly well-fed people and we're all living longer than ever.

Dane.
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why do you need technology ?



surely you just say feed them, and it becomes so..............:mrgreen:

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Post by Thalass » Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:03 am

We could do what they do in some sci-fi books - finally figure out fusion power, and then have to mine Jupiter of its He3, using giant hosepipes that somehow suck the gas up, out of Jupiter's immense gravity well, then ship it to earth. That last part would be easy. You'd just have to set the barge up to fall in towards the sun, making sure that the earth would intercept it and that you could pull it into orbit, rather than bombard the surface! haha
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