rust prevention

simmo · Post by **simmo** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:32 pm

i was just wondering what you beach 4wd'ers do to ur cars before/after a day at the beach to prevent long term rust...........

fredsub · Post by **fredsub** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:35 am

you should tell us which car you got.........

but I think there is no such thing as long term protection....those iron ores are just yearning to get back to their original form

the way they have been for millions of years..we just happen to interfer with them for a short time

however to put off the inevitable....fish oil+fine dust (the red bull dust is best),esp near around lift kit areas....good rust converters (KB brand) also good for prevention as it forms a hard surface.
otherwise wash down after the beach...

water restrictions

ultimately need to learn how to remove and fix rust....

welding and stuff can become an adiction....its good fun.

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:44 am

Couplertec electronic rust protection on myne.

stinky · Post by **stinky** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:31 am

Yeah I've got a couplertec system on the brumby! there's heaps of cheap ones floating around on ebay ... just not sure as to the quality of them ... the couplertec i trust.

Fang · Post by **Fang** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:58 am

I will third that

I also gave it a liberal dose of tectyl - and of course it gets the "bloody good wash" once its been on the beach.

Phizinza · Post by **Phizinza** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:05 pm

fred-sub wrote:water restrictions

Find a creek and drive through it a fw times.... 8O

Outback bloke · Post by **Outback bloke** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:25 pm

Find a creek and drive through it a fw times...

We found our creek ont he way home from the beach and it some how managed to get dammed up a little bit too. Perfect for getting most of the sand and salt out.

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:57 pm

I nearly lost my bike in that hole the other weekend. It was quite deep after that rain.

fredsub · Post by **fredsub** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:42 pm

I wouldn't place my bets on those EPRS...they may have some little effect....
lucky manufactures have improved their processes, like hot-dip galvanising,better paints etc with newer cars...unlike the older cars which rust while you look at them

still no protection is better than keeping moisture away from metal by good paint surfaces+wax on panels, fishoil etc in crevices etc...

those couplertec had even me fooled for a while with their techno speak advertising babble...and the static charge based protection....how effective can a static charge be in a humid environment? nil I reckon.

looks like its been well discussed on the overlander forum http://forums.overlander.com.au/viewtop ... 31&start=0

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:55 am

Unless you have actual physical proof of any particular product not working as per the website/advertising media, I would be very carefull as to what you say on a public forum.

smoov · Post by **smoov** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:24 am

Lightning_Silver_RX wrote:Unless you have actual physical proof of any particular product not working as per the website/advertising media, I would be very carefull as to what you say on a public forum.

is that a threat?

have you got proof that your rust prevention device works?

everyone's entitled to an opinion and voicing their thoughts and experiences. fred was merely stating his. Its statements like yours that prevent anyone from speaking their minds on various topics here on this forum, thus giving people a biased and misinformed view on various topics spoken here.

as for the topic on hand - i have seen a rustproofing device attached to a landcruiser 60 series, and either it wasn't working, or god knows what, but the old girl had some terminal rust. having said that, it was a coastal car.

imho not worth the hype nor the cash.

Fang · Post by **Fang** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:37 am

Thats very curious - I have the same device as Lightning_Silver and it has stopped the pillar rust in my car dead.

Perhaps the Landcruiser mentioned did not have it installed properly - or was installed after the rust occurred? These devices will not cure rust that already exists.

I think Lightning_Silver is referring to facts and personal experience - and not hearsays or "i think's". Very true though Smoov - everyone is entitled to an opinion- whether people choose to accept that opinion is up to them. Opinions should always be treated with a grain of salt.

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:41 am

Please name the product so as not to confuse people that all electronic rust proofing's are the same. THEY ARE NOT !!!
Thats what I am getting at.

If you want proof ask the two other people on here with couplertec systems how their cars are looking. Ask BMA how their 700 odd vehicles are going. Ask anyone with a particular brand how its going but make sure you don't think they are all the same. Some work, some don't. There is alot of advertising media directed to say it does so if your not sure contact the people listed in their "happy customers" Try and find somewhere there is someone who is unhappy with that particlar product, then make your own decision. I am yet to find anyone unhappy with a couplertec or erps.

smoov · Post by **smoov** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:11 am

how long would it take to determine a true, happer customer?
i can slap on a peter brock crystal ionizer and also state that "i'm a happy customer"!!!

how long is it that i can determine that a rust prevention system is working or not? if it isnt, im left with a car with rust and a hole in the wallet?!?

stinky · Post by **stinky** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:22 am

I have seen forums sued and shut down ( yes in Australia ) by companies who have had their names or products portrayed in a negative way. This is why you shouldn't be posting negative comments about a specific product without proof to back it up. It's not to save you from us, it's to save you ( and us ) from the teams of lawyers.

Many forums have specific rules about "Vendor Verdict" that basically say "If you have something bad to say about somebody, keep their name out of it".

There is no such thing as freedom of speech on the internet and it's governed by the same rules as the real world. Defamation, libel, harrassment can all be performed and policed on the internet just as easily, in fact often easier as in the real world. Nobody is anonymous, and you can be held accountable for the things you write on the internet.

Fang · Post by **Fang** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:30 am

smoov wrote:how long would it take to determine a true, happer customer?
i can slap on a peter brock crystal ionizer and also state that "i'm a happy customer"!!!

how long is it that i can determine that a rust prevention system is working or not? if it isnt, im left with a car with rust and a hole in the wallet?!?

LOL @ those Brock Polarizers!

fredsub · Post by **fredsub** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:37 pm

If you notice I did not slander the product or say it didn't work.....

fred-sub wrote: those couplertec had even me fooled for a while with their techno speak advertising babble...and the static charge based protection....how effective can a static charge be in a humid environment? nil I reckon.

but I did bring into question one of their explanations about static charges...entirely valid based on physics - one of the ways to keep static charges low in a clean room environment is to ensure the humidity level is NOT low, low humitiy allows static charges to build up on many surfaces.

so now armed with this more information also.....make up your own bloody mind

clever don't you think?

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:15 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong but rust is a chemical reaction and thus should be treated as one.

While we are posting links to other forums, I would like to offer this one.
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/inde ... adid=13634

subanator · Post by **subanator** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:37 am

Lightning_Silver_RX wrote:Unless you have actual physical proof of any particular product not working as per the website/advertising media, I would be very carefull as to what you say on a public forum.

Very profound statement. Are you are a reseller of this particular brand getting a free plug on this board by defending it?

My MY wagon seems to have been rust proofed from new 24 years ago, and it was money well spent as there is no structural rust, only a little in the doors and around some window sills.

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:49 am

That profound statement if you would read stinky's post was refering to that kind of thing.

But for the record, I do work for someone who is a reseller of Couplertec. I get no commissions on selling to product, on any product we sell for that matter, and do not advertise the fact that I work for a company that is a reseller. Why would I want to create more work for myself ?
I will defend products that I know work whether I sell them or not, and as you would see in one of my previous posts I mensioned that the ERPS brand is also one that works.