ea82 vs ea82t ???

Matatak · Post by **Matatak** » Thu May 22, 2008 7:38 pm

Alex is just very anti-EA or maybe only anti-EA82T

schultzie · Post by **schultzie** » Thu May 22, 2008 7:47 pm

it doesnt worry me much... i know that mine isnt slow...

brumbyrunner · Post by **brumbyrunner** » Thu May 22, 2008 8:38 pm

I had a fairly stock RX Turbo (3" system,15 PSI,opened up air cleaner, twin plate clutch) and a bog stock 92 Liberty at the same time. Sad to say they're both gone now.
Sorry, EJ22 people, but the EA82T wins on a standing start, acceleration through the whole rev range and top speed is about the same.
But which one is easier to live with and is nicer to drive around town? Which one would I bother fitting to an older car? EJ22 hands down.

Subafury · Post by **Subafury** » Thu May 22, 2008 8:53 pm

from my experience ea82t and ej22 are very similar. i couldnt pick a real winner without being biased. although the only thing ill say is offroad the 22 really cant be beat for torque thru the soft stuff like sand.

timmo · Post by **timmo** » Thu May 22, 2008 8:59 pm

Having both ea82T and EJ20G powered cars I personally really enjoy the way the boost comes on strong with a rush early in the rev range with the EA its really useable in every day driving. The EJ20G on the other hand is in constant danger of chewing my licence whenever a boost rush is needed. I agree that the EJ22 NA might ultimately be faster / more reliable than the humble EA but to me its lifeless & boring.

edit.. Why do threads like this always merge into EA82T V's EJ22 battles haha

schultzie · Post by **schultzie** » Thu May 22, 2008 9:02 pm

i have the same problem with my xr8 ute :P

3rd gear go to over take torque feels great look at speedo and stamp on breaks... think to self dont do that again... also merging on to freeways in the wet is great as well rwd is so much fun... then the same thing happens in fwd on the subee... jumping lane changes :P

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Thu May 22, 2008 9:06 pm

Im with ya Schultz, i love my EA82T too

schultzie · Post by **schultzie** » Thu May 22, 2008 9:11 pm

people ask me if im going to mod my ute, answer remains to be no...
reason i have a car that if i break parts are cheap and are replaceable not to mention as it sits it isnt a lot slower than the ute... and when the funds are up again it will be faster...

not to mention when your driving really hard in the ute it just does it in the subaru it tries to kill you.... and you dont need to go as fast to get that felling of speed and being ear the limit...

and of course Booost

turbo rush FTW!!!

Post by **Alex** » Thu May 22, 2008 10:40 pm

it has been proved many many many many many times over here that ej22 beats ea82t...and not by a little bit either.

we are talking EJ22 in a l-series, not a liberty. My EJ22 l-series wagon absolutely flogged my sister's EJ22 liberty. It also flogged my ej20 liberty.

there is seriously(without being biased) not much comparison between ea82t and ej22. (both in stock form)

and no i dont hate any EA motor, i just know how much better EJ's are.

EJ FTW!!!!! that is all.

alex

SCOOBIDOO · Post by **SCOOBIDOO** » Sun May 25, 2008 7:07 pm

The 82 t is borderline on power in a subi..but try a 550 kg meyers manx..and what you have is something only a well tuned sti will blow off...seriously..i have had my manx at the lights many time,s with hot rex,s and only ever had 1 sti keep along side...anything over 130kph i dont pursue as this is my 2nd to third gear change and the little 82t start,s to lack the torque to pull hard through 3rd.....but anything under 120 and youd be hard pressed to pull away from the manx....600cc plus bike,s only....

Willie · Post by **Willie** » Sun May 25, 2008 8:23 pm

I love those old school beach buggies - very cool!

YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Sun May 25, 2008 9:19 pm

I love this arguement... Personally I'm over working on any EA82, namely cleaning out the silicone channel on the cam box... Looking at limping my current carbie 82 through til I can get an MPFI back in there - but this time the EJ22.

Again I love this arguement, there will always be sentimental values in this, plus the EA turbo is old school and a bit of a legacy now... And we're all on the same team at the end of the day...

Cheers

Bennie

SCOOBIDOO · Post by **SCOOBIDOO** » Mon May 26, 2008 8:42 am

I think it is more of an expression of experience,s people have with different engine/vehicle configurations....with the ea in the manx..i purely selected the 82t for weight reasons..i could have went ej ...and i would of had to suffer the extra weight that comes with it....the 82t on this set up does not even require the knock sensor fitted as the total package is too lite to warrant its use and need,no detonation ever occurs, so it become redundant.....on the other hand i am building a new buggy and want to go ej25..or ej25t/ej20..t or simular..and i will have to deal with sump clearance,s extra engine weight and beefing up my gearbox some more.....ahh the 82 t seems so simple when i consider the ej ...but then the ej is going to make it pull wheel stands,and eat practically everything that pulls up along side it...prolly my licence too..were does it all stop..

you gotta love the subi boxer.

AndrewT · Post by **AndrewT** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:38 am

Does anybody know exactly what the weight difference between an EA82turbo motor and an EJ22 is? my guess is negligible (maybe about 40kilos?). Not much when your talking about a car that weighs over a tonne. It's nothing that can't be fixed with slightly better springs/shocks and certainly nothing the extra power output from the motor can't cope with

I rekon there should be a sticky thread entitled "The EA vs EJ argument"

This thread is supposed to be about EA82t vs EA82 haha.

SCOOBIDOO · Post by **SCOOBIDOO** » Sat May 31, 2008 4:18 am

AndrewT wrote:Does anybody know exactly what the weight difference between an EA82turbo motor and an EJ22 is? my guess is negligible (maybe about 40kilos?). Not much when your talking about a car that weighs over a tonne. It's nothing that can't be fixed with slightly better springs/shocks and certainly nothing the extra power output from the motor can't cope with

I rekon there should be a sticky thread entitled "The EA vs EJ argument"
This thread is supposed to be about EA82t vs EA82 haha.

From what i gather you are very close..i have heard some say 36kg..and 40kg..but have never really been bothered to check exactly..now i am curios...

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:27 am

The bottom line is you have to think economics with conversions because they always end up costing more than you think . Realistic people generate an estimated cost - and double it to cater for the unknown's .

1) It's a LOT of work to convert carby to EFI and with cars of these one's perceived value your better of selling and buying an EFI one to start with .

2) It's all too easy to do engine transplants only to find that the implant is not so crisp and requires a rebuild . So your up for the cost of the conversion AND an engine rebuild .

3) Turbo engines can be cheap power IF the engine and turbo are in good condition and to emulate the factory package the car's going to need the native cooling system/exhaust/fuel upgrades ie pump/brakes AND transmission - and all this gets you their std result .

In the case of the EA82T there are lots of things they need because the factory corked them well and truly , the most notable being the heads and the exhaust header - really the whole exhaust system . The static compression is stupidly low and they really need something like the RS WAIC . The age of these things means that none will be worth a sparrows fart if they have not been freshened up - properly meaning a full rebuild . If you want to just plonk an EFI engine in it and have some chance of getting away with second hand engines maybe an EJ is way to go . Personally if I wanted an EJ I'd look at the smallest lightest most affordable one with it std and buy that . The economics of it is that to spend squillions on an EJ'd L or MY doesn't add up petrol wise if you buy the factory EJ'd car inexpensively . If you have adequate funds to do it properly and really like your L/MY then that's another story .

My excuse in staying with an EA82T in an RX L is that I think we can get substantially more impressive performance than the factory did using basically the best of the L/Vortex options . Also my god with cars is keeping them light and modified in ways that makes them easy to work on . The pay off is that std parts like clutches/water pumps/hose belts etc etc all fit and ANYONE can service the thing . Engine weight .

No appologies here but all Subaru's are lead tipped arows - very front heavy . Because the front diff is in the front of the gearbox there needs to be space for a clutch and flywheel . This forces an essentially 2.5 or 3 cylinder long engine a fair way forward of the front wheels center line meaning that the whole engine is in front of this line . You can't really move the engine/trans backwards easily without running into front drive shaft angularity issues and if you could that much negative caster would be downright dangerous .*

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