Brumby towing capacity?

Phizinza · Post by **Phizinza** » Fri May 18, 2007 5:56 pm

Anyone know the legal towing capacity of a Brumby?

Xtreme_RX · Post by **Xtreme_RX** » Fri May 18, 2007 6:20 pm

1000Kg MAX - remember anything over 750Kg requires trailer brakes.
80Kg Down on the tow ball.

AndrewT · Post by **AndrewT** » Fri May 18, 2007 7:29 pm

I thought it was considerably less than that. If you read the compliance plate it should have a value for GVM. This is Gross Vehicle Mass - ie the total weight of the vehicle including whatever it is towing.

my L series has a GVM of 1500 (? I think). The car weighs about 1100 so this means we're only allowed to tow about 400kilos!

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Sat May 19, 2007 10:26 am

is a trailer included in GVM ? Brumbys are about 975 so that might work out as load up to 525kilos on board. Previous owner of my first Brumby reckoned it was legal to tow a horse float !

Xtreme_RX · Post by **Xtreme_RX** » Sat May 19, 2007 10:41 am

That is the correct towing capacity of a Brumby.

If you don’t believe me check out -> http://www.haymanreese.com.au

AndrewT · Post by **AndrewT** » Sat May 19, 2007 12:43 pm

That may be the towing capacity that particular towbar is capable of but is the car still legally allowed to tow that much?
I think maybe it says in the manufacturers manual Ill have to check when I get home.

Phizinza · Post by **Phizinza** » Sat May 19, 2007 2:07 pm

I don't think GVM includes towing, but I may be wrong. Pretty sure it's just how much you can put in the car.
My Brumby's GVM is 1650kg or something near that.

AndrewT wrote:That may be the towing capacity that particular towbar is capable of but is the car still legally allowed to tow that much?

That is what I thought. But if the car can tow that, that's just enough for what I want.

maudsland · Post by **maudsland** » Sat May 19, 2007 2:56 pm

GVM is gross vehicle mass, the max weight of the car loaded, GCM gross combined weight is the loaded car and max towing limit, GVM could be 1600kg and max towing could be 1000kg makes GCM of 2600kg

brumbyrunner · Post by **brumbyrunner** » Sat May 19, 2007 6:57 pm

maudsland is correct.

Brumby towing capacity is only 750kg.

I've towed a horse float with 2 large horses behind my turbo Brumby. I would not reccommend it at all.

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Sun May 20, 2007 12:11 pm

an extreme attempt to gain just 2 more HP. How heavy is a large horse ?

Phizinza · Post by **Phizinza** » Sun May 20, 2007 12:34 pm

Well I have the EJ22 in there, but I just want to know the legal towing capacity which sounds like either 1000kg or 750kg. I will run trailer brakes as I don't like the idea of that much weight pushing the Brumby along.
Still no definite answer, anyone else?

brumbyrunner · Post by **brumbyrunner** » Sun May 20, 2007 10:36 pm

I don't really know?
Maybe 500kgs. It was a very heavy older style horse float that I borrowed to move some horses about 150km down the highway. Had to leave it in low range.

brumbyrunner · Post by **brumbyrunner** » Sun May 20, 2007 10:42 pm

jono wrote:an extreme attempt to gain just 2 more HP. How heavy is a large horse ?

I don't really know?
Maybe 500kgs. It was a very heavy older style horse float that I borrowed to move some horses about 150km down the highway. Had to leave it in low range.

90brumby · Post by **90brumby** » Mon May 21, 2007 1:03 am

i was told wat ever you are towin can not weigh more than the vehicle towin it

YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Mon May 21, 2007 3:58 pm

90brumby wrote:i was told wat ever you are towin can not weigh more than the vehicle towin it

This is the safe way to tow, but i don't think everyone does this and strays on the un-safe side. The idea of the towing vehicle being heavier is to help in controlling the trailer, otherwise the trailer can easily over-ride what the driver is trying to do, particularly when travelling down hill.

AndrewT wrote:my L series has a GVM of 1500 (? I think). The car weighs about 1100 so this means we're only allowed to tow about 400kilos!

Didn't i see a pic of you towing an L series on a trailer a while back? Even with trailer braking i thought this would be over the towing capacity of the vehicle... If not, ignore me, i'm not here for an arguement as to if it happened or not.

Cheers

Timmeh · Post by **Timmeh** » Fri May 25, 2007 3:01 pm

I know that I frequently tow a big freakin generator on a trailer that has a GVM of 3.34 tonnes with a truck with a mass of only 2.24 tonnes... bloody scary exercise as the trailer has no trailer brakes .. specially around the streets of Sydney.. funny what you'll do for a crust isn't it?

Phizinza · Post by **Phizinza** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:25 am

The RAA here in SA say that if the vehicle has no ratings on it (including ones that may not be there now) without trailer brakes you can tow 750kg and with trailer brakes you can tow 1.5x the unladen curb weight of the car. So that is about 1.575 tonn for the Brumby. That should be all I need.

toughasnails · Post by **toughasnails** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:38 am

Hi. I was looking for this info too, and finally found this on the NSW RTA website (http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... ailers.pdf):

[INDENT]The loaded mass of the trailer must not exceed the lesser of:
- Rated capacity of the towbar and tow coupling.
- Maximum towing capacity of the vehicle.
- Maximum carrying capacity of the trailer.
- Maximum rated carrying capacity of the tyres.

If the vehicle manufacturer has not specified the maximum towing mass, the maximum towing mass is:
- One and a half times the unladen mass of the towing vehicle, provided that the trailer is fitted with brakes which are connected and in working order,
or
- The unladen mass of the towing vehicle if the trailer does not require brakes.[/INDENT]

In my case (1991 Brumby, towing capacity not specified), my unladen mass is about 1000kg, which suggests, provided I don't exceed my towbar/coupling rating, I could tow a 1000kg trailer without brakes, or a 1500kg with brakes.

However, the RTA document also says:

[INDENT]0 – 750 kg loaded weight – no brakes required.
751 – 2000 kg loaded weight – braking on both wheels on at least one axle.[/INDENT]

So, my limits are:
- Without brakes: 750kg
- With brakes: 1500kg
(Same as you were told Phizinza! I also read on the Hayman Reese FAQ that the regulations for light (<3.5T) trailers is the same in every state.)

maxxair · Post by **maxxair** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:25 pm

i tow rental car trailer (solid) with a datto on it a bit, towed subes a fair bit and a 70's jag S type. that was heavy. need the L/R to get her moving and gears to stop but its ok. the trailer has them brakes that come on when the ball hitch is shoved. you know the ones. they push and pull a bit so power on or stop. not a hard task. sits on an easy 90kph, foot down. and really loves the workout.

AlpineRaven · Post by **AlpineRaven** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:32 am

90brumby wrote:i was told wat ever you are towin can not weigh more than the vehicle towin it

Same thing - I was taught the same - no more than what the weight of main vehicle, but I did it once - I drove my Liberty wagon with car on an tandem 6 wheeler trailer for approx 40 kms in low speeds and it was an Commodore on it - I knew i was exceeding the limit and it was damn hard work for the Liberty.
Cheers
AP