Too much weight for a stock brumby?

ONGAS · Post by **ONGAS** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:35 pm

Hey all just a quick question about towing a car trailer with a 1600kg car(rolling shell) on it, Will the little guy handle it ok? The back of the brumby will have the gearbox in it and other stuff as well.

AndrewT · Post by **AndrewT** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:34 am

Definitely not recommended, that's severely over a safe amount. A medium to large car trailer with NO car on it is probably about the rated towing limit for a Brumby.
If the trailer gets the speed wobbles it's all over, you will be a passenger, can't power out of it in an old Suby.

(however being the sometimes wreckless person I am, I have done this before in a stock carby L series wagon and survived. If you are experienced, very careful and take it very slow and keep your wits about you hopefully you will be okay!).

ONGAS · Post by **ONGAS** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:59 am

Thanks mate is only got to go 30 kms on a dual lane, i can use the liberty instead but would have to make another trip for the box and other stuff or maybe just throw the box on the car trailer.

maxxair · Post by **maxxair** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:39 am

i towed subes with subes a fair few times before, with out any issue. just slow is all.
HOWEVER> the last time, the second of two trips on the one day with my 'brand new' L series PovoPack. the brumby i towed out first, loaded to the sky with bits and peices. went all good. the second car, a Ltouring wagon minus engine., and coming down a small gradient at around 90-95kmh, the trailer started with tiny wobbles. every wobble got bigger and bigger, regardless of my gentel correcting. by the time we came to a bridge it was full lock to full lock trying to hold it. i grabbed 4WDjust coming onto the bridge, held a right, then left fishy (with the trailer fully pivoting the car)) and on the 3rd 4wheel drift into the armco rail (which was installed eairlier that day. i only just registered the car that day too)

anyways i ended up with a missing rear corner on the tow car, a damaged car on the trailer, and a wrecked trailer.

don't tow the same car as ur driving on a trailer. its just the weight factor.

i now reccomend against mate. although it is possible (but highly illegal)

vincentvega · Post by **vincentvega** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:03 am

if it is 30 kms then dont be lazy and make 2 trips. definately

ONGAS · Post by **ONGAS** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:57 am

vincentvega wrote:if it is 30 kms then dont be lazy and make 2 trips. definately

Yeah i think it'll be better to make two trips, Better safe than sorry.

Matatak · Post by **Matatak** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:11 pm

Lol so basically you got 2500 to get from one place to another.

long story short a stock brumby wont do it (well wont do it safely).

but the Libbo will be able to.

just need to do it safely watch the braking and go slow around 70 80 Km/ph MAX id say.

i recently towed around 1500 with my wagon (EJ22) for like 70K's ar around 70 80 Kmph and it wasnt bad. the 29's sure threw out the take off but had to use the clutch a bit to get going.

Post by **Alex** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:29 pm

towing an almost 3t cruiser wasnt too bad with my wagon. But obviosuly he had brakes in the cruiser behind me. Ea motor would have struggled, Ej22 will do it easy, but the ej20g in my car made it partially effortless.

alex

Battlewagon · Post by **Battlewagon** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:47 pm

Keep your speed under 80 k's, that seems to be the point where things go pear-shaped.
Try to keep the trailer loaded evenly, with about 100kgs on the hitch end.
If the trailer has electric brakes, and starts to sway, hit the manual override, activate the trailer brakes and at the same time feed in a little accelerator, this will (hopefully) get you back under control, but DONT rely on this.

ONGAS · Post by **ONGAS** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:55 am

Well got it done today with the wagon i don't know why i was so worried about it sat on 80k's the whole way no probs, This is the first subi i've owned and i'm impressed that 2.2 ltr has got guts.

tex · Post by **tex** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 12:18 am

Too late now but maybe for future refrence

maxxair wrote:i towed subes with subes a fair few times before, with out any issue. just slow is all.
HOWEVER> the last time, the second of two trips on the one day with my 'brand new' L series PovoPack. the brumby i towed out first, loaded to the sky with bits and peices. went all good. the second car, a Ltouring wagon minus engine., and coming down a small gradient at around 90-95kmh, the trailer started with tiny wobbles. every wobble got bigger and bigger, regardless of my gentel correcting. by the time we came to a bridge it was full lock to full lock trying to hold it. i grabbed 4WDjust coming onto the bridge, held a right, then left fishy (with the trailer fully pivoting the car)) and on the 3rd 4wheel drift into the armco rail (which was installed eairlier that day. i only just registered the car that day too)

anyways i ended up with a missing rear corner on the tow car, a damaged car on the trailer, and a wrecked trailer.

don't tow the same car as ur driving on a trailer. its just the weight factor.

i now reccomend against mate. although it is possible (but highly illegal)

Its all about weight distribution I've had to tow a car trailer with the car more on one side than the other and so couldn't get over 40 K's and the towing vehicle was twice the weight of the combination!

Battlewagon wrote:Keep your speed under 80 k's, that seems to be the point where things go pear-shaped.
Try to keep the trailer loaded evenly, with about 100kgs on the hitch end.
If the trailer has electric brakes, and starts to sway, hit the manual override, activate the trailer brakes and at the same time feed in a little accelerator, this will (hopefully) get you back under control, but DONT rely on this.

Sounds like good advice to me the reason for having the weight of the towing vehicle is if you have the trailer brakes fail or worse still don't exist it can and will push the towing vehicle forward jacknifing it plus if you don't have much weight on the arse end good chance you wont have the traction you should.