How's this for a lift

Subaman · Post by **Subaman** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:19 am

Anyone who carrys a decent load

Even trucks did away with leaf springs and they carry pretty decent loads

red_zook · Post by **red_zook** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:15 pm

with all that work why not soild axel it with sierra or lux diffs? and run a sierra transfer?
twin transfers and PROPER 4wd diffs??? thats where its at!

Subaman · Post by **Subaman** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:02 pm

with all that work why not soild axel it with sierra or lux diffs? and run a sierra transfer?

Yeah, and you could even fit a sierra body too, and then maybe a sierra motor just for kicks ..........

and PROPER 4wd diffs

What exactly is a "proper" 4wd diff?

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:30 pm

Subaman wrote:Even trucks did away with leaf springs and they carry pretty decent loads

Air bags you mean ? Now your just stiring. I bet I know what the small trucks and utes still have leafies.....COST.

Subaman · Post by **Subaman** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:34 am

Alot of the comercial vans etc are using coils now, doesnt some of the the patrol utes have coils now too?

Phizinza · Post by **Phizinza** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:22 am

My brothers 4runner with leafs all round flexs similar to a mates old GQ patrol with coils all round.
Really though, it's a Subaru, it doesn't need coil or leaf solid axles. That would just spoil everything you bought a Subaru for.

red_zook · Post by **red_zook** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:14 pm

Subaman wrote:Yeah, and you could even fit a sierra body too, and then maybe a sierra motor just for kicks ..........

What exactly is a "proper" 4wd diff?

LOL ones that dont have 4 cv's per diff..

ones that have atleast a 4.88 ratio

diffs that are just once piece??

this guy has gone to eppic effort, why not build it so its not gona die with anything bigger than 30's??

just for an example for you guys...

just some ideas?

i have actualy been thinking for quite some time about building a very custom subi and running chassi proper 4link rear 3link pan front, useing a subi motor with a sierra transfer on the rear output..

dont belve it would be that hard.. and would be eppicly awsome

red_zook · Post by **red_zook** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:20 pm

Subaman wrote:Alot of the comercial vans etc are using coils now, doesnt some of the the patrol utes have coils now too?

yep even GQ utes had the option of coils..
coils are good BUT dont cary loads for crap, they become twisty etc..

My brothers 4runner with leafs all round flexs similar to a mates old GQ patrol with coils all round.
Really though, it's a Subaru, it doesn't need coil or leaf solid axles. That would just spoil everything you bought a Subaru for.

you need to keep in mind.. standard v standard and how they are flexed? GQ's have a crap 3link front end that wont flex at all standard.. its all in the rear..
the 4runner will flex well.. well it will flex OK..

so u buy a subaru for irs and ifs??

Phizinza · Post by **Phizinza** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:52 pm

Yes. Why else? When I drive a Subaru on the road, it is awesome. When I rally it on the back roads, it is awesome. When I offroad, it does everything needed in Australia.
When I drive my brothers 4runner on the road, its uncomfortable to keep in a straight line and the ride is ridiculous. When he rallies it on the backroads you feel like it will flip any moment. When he takes it offroad, it is awesome.

Point is, a solid axle truck has its purpose. And so does a Subaru. Doesn't make either crap or useless

Subaman · Post by **Subaman** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:19 pm

Trains use coils springs for carrying loads.

My brothers 4runner with leafs all round flexs similar to a mates old GQ patrol with coils all round.

Some leaf setups can flex really well, espescially the 2 leaf set up, but then that wont carry a load either. Who buys a Subaru for carrying a load anyway?

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:35 pm

Where'd this come from again ? Oh stamp_licker put up a thing on a 'chassis' lift kit for a subie.

Phizinza · Post by **Phizinza** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:37 pm

Subaman wrote:I dont think I would call it a chassis and it certainly doesnt look strong enough to be bolting live axles and leaf springs to, who wants leaf springs anyway?

Only reason we're talking leaf springs is because you said this. The question is why does having a chassis and solid axles mean you need leaf springs? It doesn't. So I'm just confused now.

red_zook · Post by **red_zook** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:05 pm

Subaman wrote:

Trains use coils springs for carrying loads.

Some leaf setups can flex really well, espescially the 2 leaf set up, but then that wont carry a load either. Who buys a Subaru for carrying a load anyway?

what exactly is a 2 leaf setup? care to elaberate?

Phizinza

there is something drematicly wrong with your brothers 4runner..
i have driven 4wds all my life and never had that issue.... maby u should get that looked in2? i also drive a lowerd stiffend L sieres and its nothing to wright home about buddy

Phizinza · Post by **Phizinza** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:42 am

I'm picky. Even my parents 01 Hilux with IFS annoys me with the steering. Just can't beat rack and pinion.

Maybe you should of got your L series looked into, or done what I done with my Brumby and customed the front suspension so it actually had good geometry?

Subaman · Post by **Subaman** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:56 pm

Only reason we're talking leaf springs is because you said this. The question is why does having a chassis and solid axles mean you need leaf springs? It doesn't. So I'm just confused now.

no, it is because Danger said this ...

I am all for using gear from other makes! thats my point. WHy didnt he shove a live rear axle under the thing? With that chassis in place it wouldnt be hard to tack on some leaf springs

Which was in relation to the original post about the liftkit/chassis

what exactly is a 2 leaf setup? care to elaberate?

2 leaf is exactly that, only 2 leafs per corner.

red_zook · Post by **red_zook** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:32 am

2 leaf is exactly that, only 2 leafs per corner.??
this would masivly depend on what leafs etc...

anyways i actualy layed awake last night (excited i get my new sierra today) thinking about this as my next project..

the issue with ifs and irs is the CV's and also you cannot tell me that a L lifted that far steers well?? it would be fawking shocking!! i know alot about lifting 4b's i have lifted or been apart of lifting nearly every truck i can think about..
the thing about a PROPER 4wd is it has solid axel, so when it is lifted with corect castor corection (plates, busshes wedges what ever it may be) it should drive normaly. or as close to that (with exception of new center of gravity and spring rates etc)

BUT lifting a ifs truck well its HELL!! as there is WAY 2 many variables. unless u space the whole frame down.. but this in its self gets rid of the whole point of having a ifs set up.. u end up smashing your diff etc in2 everything...

and lifting this sub the way he has.. no fawking way will it drive like a standard subaru! and it will get rid of the car like driveability... so why not do it properly and have a sweet CAPABLE rig rather than one thats going to snap at the first sight of throttle??

this is just my opinion gained over years of building and wheeling the piss out of 4wds...

i enclos a pic of my old rig that i built from standard......
soa, lux diffs, full caster corection, custom fabbed crossover stering, using a ifs lux steering box etc etc..

also one that i never got around to finishing..

sierra chasis, GQ diffs, 39.5 iroks, 3link panard all round 6inch lifted jimny coils.. etc etc... ran out of funds! and parted

so yeah i do know what im talking about

Phizinza · Post by **Phizinza** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:43 am

Your funny.

Ok mate, you know everything what your talking about
Bye

red_zook · Post by **red_zook** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:50 am

Im just saying buddy for the work this guy put in why stick with that gear? much better stuff avalable.. im not saying anyone is wright or wrong.. we all have diffrent ideas of whats cool/right.

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:11 am

I've got time to burn.

the issue with ifs and irs is the CV's

What issue ? Not enough travel for you ?

i know alot about lifting 4b's i have lifted or been apart of lifting nearly every truck i can think about..

Me too, so that must mean I know everything aswell

thing about a PROPER 4wd is it has solid axel, so when it is lifted with corect castor corection (plates, busshes wedges what ever it may be) it should drive normaly. or as close to that (with exception of new center of gravity and spring rates etc)

Subies might not be as adjustable off the shelf, but if think about it and do some work there is no reason you cannot build in some castor correction. The normal body lifts have built in camber correction, but you'd already know that from your vast experiance.

BUT lifting a ifs truck well its HELL!! as there is WAY 2 many variables.

For who?

u space the whole frame down.. but this in its self gets rid of the whole point of having a ifs set up.. u end up smashing your diff etc in2 everything...

Only if you aim at it. The whole point to them is to be able to fit larger tyres....thus bringing up your diff height correct ?

and lifting this sub the way he has.. no fawking way will it drive like a standard subaru!

I don't think he wants it to...hence the modification

so why not do it properly and have a sweet CAPABLE rig rather than one thats going to snap at the first sight of throttle??

Roflmao.

this is just my opinion gained over years of building and wheeling the piss out of 4wds...

You're allowed to have one of those unfortunately

i enclos a pic of my old rig that i built from standard......
soa, lux diffs, full caster corection, custom fabbed crossover stering, using a ifs lux steering box etc etc..

Why not just buy the hilux to start with ?

also one that i never got around to finishing..

sierra chasis, GQ diffs, 39.5 iroks, 3link panard all round 6inch lifted jimny coils.. etc etc... ran out of funds! and parted so yeah i do know what im talking about

So why are you here ?

brumbyrunner · Post by **brumbyrunner** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:21 pm

red_zook wrote:the thing about a PROPER 4wd is it has solid axel

So my 100 Series is not a proper 4WD? Bummer!

What about an H1 Hummer (HUMVEE)?